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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Left alone Jonathan Gruber would have disappeared after a while but what makes this story interesting, and a lot of fun, are the people who now never heard of him, defend hm, claim it was someone else's fault, and so on.

    I've followed Leftist politics for quite a while now and they always claim to know what's best for 'the masses', despite their infamous screw-ups over the years. I've no doubt that Gruber is representative of Left Wing leaders and that his fellow travelers believe themselves to be remarkably sophisticated about economics, human needs and understand intuitively and definitely what other people need and want in their lives.

    'The masses' are always other people, "and we can all understand why it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations". The masses have to be told what's good for them.
    You are correct, in my assessment, that Gruber is likely representative of the upper echelon, the so called "brains" of the party, as if they have one.

    That would fit with the arrogance of trying to dictate, often by law, what they say is good for you while exhibiting gross ignorance to the degree of two years of unemployment instead of training and upgrade programs. Even in failure, they justify the lies and deceit with "but, people were helped. Yes they were, the 'shovel ready' thing helped a few hundred community organizers who simply had to hold so many meetings that the entire budget they scammed was used up without a dime going to a needy worker.

    I live in Canada, socialists have been legal here for a long, long time. They are no more progressive than a gold fish can teach physics, their core ideas, like a higher minimum wage, are about 100 years old. In a day and age when we have more women Premiers than men, one of whom ios an out-of-the-closet lesbian, the cries for 'women's rights' is like driving an Edsel.

    Obama's cling to Bibles and guns was what is called "image reinforcement", reminding his supporters that their common "enemies" are all evangelical, Bible moralists toting guns for the purpose of killing black people. That, I expected, what rocked me was "he could have been my son"....the first ever president to break the convention of never commenting on the finding of a jury of one's peers. That showed his true colors and how his socialist/populist ideas play to the fears of his constituents. The bad Republican racists will be coming for you if I am not around to protect you.

    The guy is a master at imagery and manipulating emotions to his benefit, but entirely absent of any true compassion for others
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You are correct, in my assessment, that Gruber is likely representative of the upper echelon, the so called "brains" of the party, as if they have one.

    That would fit with the arrogance of trying to dictate, often by law, what they say is good for you while exhibiting gross ignorance to the degree of two years of unemployment instead of training and upgrade programs. Even in failure, they justify the lies and deceit with "but, people were helped. Yes they were, the 'shovel ready' thing helped a few hundred community organizers who simply had to hold so many meetings that the entire budget they scammed was used up without a dime going to a needy worker.

    I live in Canada, socialists have been legal here for a long, long time. They are no more progressive than a gold fish can teach physics, their core ideas, like a higher minimum wage, are about 100 years old. In a day and age when we have more women Premiers than men, one of whom ios an out-of-the-closet lesbian, the cries for 'women's rights' is like driving an Edsel.

    Obama's cling to Bibles and guns was what is called "image reinforcement", reminding his supporters that their common "enemies" are all evangelical, Bible moralists toting guns for the purpose of killing black people. That, I expected, what rocked me was "he could have been my son"....the first ever president to break the convention of never commenting on the finding of a jury of one's peers. That showed his true colors and how his socialist/populist ideas play to the fears of his constituents. The bad Republican racists will be coming for you if I am not around to protect you.

    The guy is a master at imagery and manipulating emotions to his benefit, but entirely absent of any true compassion for others
    That goes way back to the "beer summit" where Obama stated the cop acted stupidly, and then admitted he didn't know the facts of the incident.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well considering medicine was in its infancy at that point
    wait....

    Um. You do know that this is insanely, wildly, hilariously incorrect?

    I am not sure what the hell you are talking about.
    The Founders wanted an extremely limited federal government because of the awesome power it would wield in the areas it was assigned. If there is a single word that perhaps best describes the Founders approach towards government power, that word is "paranoia". The Founders purposely did not give the Federal Government control over any particular private industry (such as healthcare), and would have been rather aghast at the suggestion that we should do so.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    History is laughing at you. People like you go so far to call him a tyrant, and yet:

    1) He's done nothing illegal
    2) The economy has steadily grown since he's been in office (albeit it started about as low as it could get)
    3) He killed Osama bin Laden
    4) He's been insanely aggressive against terrorism
    5) He hasn't raised taxes

    Yes, you didn't get everything you want out of the executive branch for the past 6 years, but to freak out like he's Stalin, that's insane. Most things he would have wanted to do, he couldn't do because of the obstructionist Congress. So relax and grow up, buddy.
    1) He violated oath of office.

    2) We have the lowest labor participation rate in 36 years.

    3) The hunt for UBL was going on when he got the job. There's not a damn thing he brought to the table.

    4) um...

    5) He signed Obamacare into law...that's a tax hike.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Got it, Fortune 500 companies and millions of Americans have moved to TX because of no insurance, low pay, and high environmental problems? Liberal logic?
    Because they can get low wage workers, often illegals. Yes.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You think the Clinton impeachment was about sex and not committing perjury to a Grand Jury? Jonathan Gruber had you lot pegged!
    About whether or not he cheated on his wife. Yeah, no ****. Who wouldn't lie about that? LOL
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Whether you care or not is irrelevant... I simply asked you if Obama gets away with rewriting federal law without being held legally responsible, does that mean in your estimation he did nothing wrong?

    Or put another way, do you assess right & wrong, and judge the morality of a persons actions from a legal perspective?
    You didn't say anything about federal law. If you are talking about him using executive privilege,.. he's not the first to do it? I'm not really sure what you are talking about? What specifically, are you saying Obama did that was illegal?
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep and poverty was in its infancy at that point as well so "welfare" got left out.
    Oh, so you want to travel back and live with the morals of 1776? Great. When will you be picking up your slave?

    You're being a ridiculous person right now.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    wait....

    Um. You do know that this is insanely, wildly, hilariously incorrect?
    Please, go on. Tell me more about medicine during the 1700s.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Founders wanted an extremely limited federal government because of the awesome power it would wield in the areas it was assigned. If there is a single word that perhaps best describes the Founders approach towards government power, that word is "paranoia". The Founders purposely did not give the Federal Government control over any particular private industry (such as healthcare), and would have been rather aghast at the suggestion that we should do so.
    The founders were absolutely worried about having too strong of a federal government. What are you in, 3rd grade? What an obvious statement. I don't see what the hell that has to do with the idea that this lady apparently thinks she knows the Founding Fathers would be against national health care.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1) He violated oath of office.

    2) We have the lowest labor participation rate in 36 years.

    3) The hunt for UBL was going on when he got the job. There's not a damn thing he brought to the table.

    4) um...

    5) He signed Obamacare into law...that's a tax hike.
    1) What?
    2) The economy was crashed when he inherited it. Job growth has occurred in every quarter since the recovery.
    3) He made the decision. Sorry if that bothers you.
    4) Sorry if you get hit with a drone strike
    5) How much have you taxes risen, specifically?
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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