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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Head East.....they said. Never been any reason.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's not a "liberal" HC system, at least not in the classical definition of the term. But if you mean it's "liberal" in that it provides less that what was promised and continues to provide less and less as time goes on and that it is far more expensive than promised and continues to become more and more expensive as time goes on, then yes, it is indeed a liberal HC system.

    I'd say it's more classically conservative in that it is designed to provide equivalent services to all citizens regardless of their station in life, wealth or status, and it provides the basic necessities of coverage needed by most if not all citizens and leaves additional services at the discretion of the individual. It is, in effect, pretty bare bones, but very few people are bankrupted by illness.

    America would have been far better off if the government had decided to implement a catastrophic care policy that covered all citizens out of tax revenue and continued to leave individual choice for all the rest of medical/health care to the individual to insure or pay for out of pocket as they see the need and desire to do so. Instead, you have this bastardized system that helps no one other than insurance companies and medical practitioners/providers. Nice job.
    LOL....yes...yes...socialized medicine is a conservative idea.

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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all, because we did it the right way, more than 50 years ago.
    Actually the free enterprise system in Canada appeared to be working fine, as many around at the time can attest. Doctors even made house calls and if it was anything serious then neighbors generally chipped in to help each other. The government became involved during the polio epidemic, it was treated as the national disaster it was, and a terrific job was done.
    It's not as affordable as it once was, but there isn't a single Canadian who'd trade our system for yours, particularly not now.
    That's largely because they know no other way and have become dependent on it, just as the supporters of Obamacare understand.
    But there is a definite push to allow "for-profit" medical services to set up shop here. There are for-profit services for things the government doesn't fund/cover, but there's also a push to have for-profit services for things the government does cover, so that people don't have such long waits if they can afford to pay for it themselves, but that is currently illegal under our system, forcing those with money to travel to the US to beat waiting lists.
    Yes, the government is moving towards the once dreaded 'two tier system' because the ideology of medical care was trumping common sense. Now Canadians don't have to wait months or years for an MRI, for example, and independent clinics are springing up everywhere. The government must have realized that there just isn't the money available to support the retiring baby boomers and that some concessions to free enterprise and private health care had to be made.

    Two-tier systems are becoming commonplace everywhere now, and have become essential.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    2006 was called a referendum. 2008 was a mandate.

    2014? A blip.

    The previous switches in the balance of power were lauded as a general awakening. Hell, I remember vast hordes declaring it the death knell of the GOP. But this time? Eh, low voter turnout.

    It's blind hypocrisy.

    Which we now know was always written as a penalty, planned as a penalty too.

    How does this make BO and his Team Democrats look with Independents and women going into the future. Now being caught up in intentionally deceiving the Government and Government sources, as well as.....We the people.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Head East.....they said. Never been any reason.
    Shave my wife I'm going down for the last time.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    "if you like your plan you get to keep it, if you like your doctor, you get to keep him" Which lie do you support?
    Yeah, I get that. it was a stupid thing to say. But what is even more stupid: the notion that such would have been true even if no reform had happened. That's the real point, and why he shouldn't have said it, is that plans change and get more expensive every year, with nothing changing from the government. So, no, it wasn't likely that anything changed due to ACA.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spoken like a true liberal who believes the govt. needs the money more than the private sector, probably a govt. employee?
    No, more a true problem solver. We have a problem. It effects large numbers of people. We can ignore it, or we can work to solve it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Doesn't look like we'll have to since it has serious legal flaws soon to be challenged.

    Republicans will be smart to repeal it without repealing it. Defund it, rebuild it to what it should have been in the first place, then the catastrophe it's been goes away.
    Heya Erod. Here is Cruz on Election night and note how he says it can be taken apart.



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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    This is everything honest, clear thinking Americans have been saying about the Left...

    They are fundamentally dishonest. We're not talking small BS... They lie flat-out knowing they will get cover from their lap dog propagandists... On the Colossal Issues.

    These people are beyond arrogant a-holes.
    I wonder for how many stupid libs (he called you stupid) will be revolted, realizing this is what you are through association.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Erod. Here is Cruz on Election night and note how he says it can be taken apart.
    That will be a real winning platform for 2016:

    Vote GOP and we will eliminate health insurance support for low income folks!
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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