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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Moar right-wing lies...

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    It started with the Community Reinvestment act signed into law by President Jimmy "Peanut Farmer" Carter. It spurred on by democrats through the auspices of quasi government mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Even Democrat Barney Frank eventually admitted as much. Hiding losses from bad loans is in fact what caused the mortgage market collapse.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What do we know? That the inflation rate of health care has dropped and over 10 million more people have it?

    I'm confused.
    Such baloney. The so-called drop in the inflation rate is as phony as a three dollar bill. It is not the cost of healthcare that is dropping...it's the amount of healthcare spending. And the spending is only dropping because so many Americans are stuck policies with such high deductibles that they cannot afford to go to the doctor. As for the claim that 10 million more have insurance, how would you know? The "Hussein" Obama administration still has not released the breakdowns as to how many of those who signed up for obamacare had previous insurance.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Such baloney. The so-called drop in the inflation rate is as phony as a three dollar bill. It is not the cost of healthcare that is dropping...it's the amount of healthcare spending. And the spending is only dropping because so many Americans are stuck policies with such high deductibles that they cannot afford to go to the doctor. As for the claim that 10 million more have insurance, how would you know? The "Hussein" Obama administration still has not released the breakdowns as to how many of those who signed up for obamacare had previous insurance.
    They are also taking credit for Medicaid sign ups from people who were eligible for Medicaid but had failed to sign up. Don't be fooled by the Obama rhetoric again

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    As opposed to the conservative law of the "free market" that doesn't work and never has. The "free market", aka we don't know how to fix it so screw it?
    Prior to Obamacare, the free marker health insurance worked out quite well for me. However after Obamacare passed, with the exception of life insurance, dental and vision, I dropped out of the private insurance market altogether. I am not about to pay $700.00 monthly premiums for a $6000.00 deductible policy. I am now covered on VA Healthcare.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    If we're talking health care, I'd say most industrialized countries that use the liberal idea of national healthcare are getting along pretty well.

    Yeah.

    What's the leap in logic, anyway? Isn't that what you are advocating - the free market handles health care. Don't regulate it!
    That depends on what you consider: "Pretty well".

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Is that correct though? That those plans that were lost were so bad they couldn't be used? Are you able to get past the first sentence of a post, or is that too much to ask?
    You can stop that line of bull anytime now. I was one of those whose individual plan was cancelled. There was nothing wrong with the plan and I very much did use it. It is the obamacare approved plan they wanted to stick me with that I could not have used unless something catastrophic happened to me.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    They are also taking credit for Medicaid sign ups from people who were eligible for Medicaid but had failed to sign up. Don't be fooled by the Obama rhetoric again
    Exactly.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Moar right-wing lies...

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    The housing bubble occurred during a period when Fannie and Freddie's market share of high-risk mortgages dropped.
    Don't gruber to us, man. Fannie and Freddie's shares dropped because they had sold them to other financial institutions (or where else do you think those shares went?) Fannie and Freddie had by that time injected over a trillion dollars in toxic loans into the financial system, hence the financial crisis.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, I would not exclude labour from lobbying, on matters related to the employment of those union members they support. I don't know about the US, but here in Canada we have labour unions lobbying on Palestine, the Middle East, Keystone pipeline, climate control, etc. and all entirely unrelated to any employee they represent.

    I promise you, if unions concentrated on the purpose for which they were created, they'd have far more support from the general public than they do now.
    Excellent observation.

    I don't know about Ontario so much, but here the overwhelming majority of union workers are public sector, with the Government Employees Union and CUPE, Canadian Union of Public Employees, the largest along with teachers, medical workers bus drivers etc. They are the only ones who ever strike, we just beat a lengthy teacher's strike.

    And you are right, we hear little about jobs, but during the election we heard all about the socialist NDP platform and 'higher minimum wage" crap.

    I suspect the move from representing individuals in their jobs to a wing of NDP has occurred simply because working conditions are so good, all they have to worry about is global warming.

    Here, we have a different pipeline targeted, and as usual they use intimidation tactics needing the courts....most of these "activists" are Union members..


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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You dont think the Democrats can take back the Senate by 2016 if not then 2020? Or in your view "has the American public woken up to this terrible moderate Democrat agenda and will never give them anything again"?
    The pendulum can always swing back, but in 2016 Obama will still be President so another big Republican victory is assured.

    Poor Obama. He thinks immigration will be a big winner for the Democrats. Not even Mexican Americans regard it as a top issue.

    Obama's supporters should know by now that Obama lies about what he will do, and he lies about what he has done. Mark my words, his executive immigration plan isn't going to be a significant change from current policy.

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