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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    You are simply wrong. The PPACA was passed with the intent to address a problem--sick people have no "individual incentive" if they cannot get treatment because they had a history of cancer, heart issues, diabetes, etc. and were either ineligible for insurance or were so highly rated that it was unaffordable. Obama was willing to not have an individual mandate but Reid refused to pass any legislation that did not include it. Without the mandate, the PPACA would not have been such a disaster. The market would have have adjusted more naturally. There have been other reports over the years that Obama was willing to compromise on certain things with the GOP but either Harry or Nancy would chain him to the post, mostly Harry. One of the first major changes you will see to the PPACA now that Harry is out of blocking power is the repeal of the medical device tax that will clear the Senate with democratic support. You will see a GOP minimum wage increase offered up which is a "liberal wealth redistribution" mechanism.
    No, you miss the point, healthcare is a personal responsibility issue that is a state problem not a federal one. You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do. Just like with the minimum wage, liberals/progressives social engineer because it makes them feel good. States have the right to raise the minimum wage and many have so why is this a federal issue? The one size fits all Federal Programs are always failures but the rhetoric sounds good.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It happens over and over. We have an incompetent and corrupt federal government. Voters give power to one group. When their incompetence and corruption are displayed, they give power to the other group. Voters really are stupid. They blindly follow the system setup by the two political parties and never fix anything. Government gets worse and worse, political parties get more powerful and voters do the same thing over and over.
    I went over the results and the exit polling. This stood out:

    44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
    40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

    So this election was unique in that the political party with the lower favorable and higher unfavorable ratings/views of the voter won. Perhaps that happened for two reasons, 1. Voters were angrier at President Obama than the Republicans in congress. 2. There was no choice C for the voters to take their wrath out on both the Republicans and Democrats. I believe if there was a viable third choice, a choice C, C would have won instead of the Republicans.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So...is the overturning of the Canadian HC system building up steam up there?
    Not at all, because we did it the right way, more than 50 years ago. It's not as affordable as it once was, but there isn't a single Canadian who'd trade our system for yours, particularly not now. But there is a definite push to allow "for-profit" medical services to set up shop here. There are for-profit services for things the government doesn't fund/cover, but there's also a push to have for-profit services for things the government does cover, so that people don't have such long waits if they can afford to pay for it themselves, but that is currently illegal under our system, forcing those with money to travel to the US to beat waiting lists.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not to burst your bubble, but that's not an "article" offering a Canuck perspective - that's a letter to the editor of a newpaper expressing one idiot's view of Obama. The fact the letter writer is in British Columbia simply verifies the utter idiocy of his musings.

    Canada has it's own empty suit, it's own unqualified clown, running the federal Liberal Party here and we don't need America's left-over crap cluttering up our environment.

    I appreciate many Americans don't like Justin Beiber, but that's no reason to deport Obama our way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So...is the overturning of the Canadian HC system building up steam up there?
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all, because we did it the right way, more than 50 years ago. It's not as affordable as it once was, but there isn't a single Canadian who'd trade our system for yours, particularly not now. But there is a definite push to allow "for-profit" medical services to set up shop here. There are for-profit services for things the government doesn't fund/cover, but there's also a push to have for-profit services for things the government does cover, so that people don't have such long waits if they can afford to pay for it themselves, but that is currently illegal under our system, forcing those with money to travel to the US to beat waiting lists.
    So the answer is, Canada likes its liberal HC system.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So the answer is, Canada likes its liberal HC system.
    Only if you want simple answers.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Only a true liberal socialist would call this a moderate Democrat agenda. Most of us would call it a radical wealth redistribution and massive Central govt. agenda. The elections should have told even people like you that the public rejects it. This isn't a liberal nation, it is conservative and when conservatives run they win
    how many times have voters "rejected" a party only to "reject" the other a few years later and put the same people they "rejected" initially back into power? In 2012 voters "rejected" conservatives. Another election or two they'll do it again.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    how many times have voters "rejected" a party only to "reject" the other a few years later and put the same people they "rejected" initially back into power? In 2012 voters "rejected" conservatives. Another election or two they'll do it again.
    Last I checked Republicans took the House in 2010 and retained it in 2012 and then took the entire Congress in 2014. What am I missing? Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and ignoring the liberal results. If you care to do your own research and find out why Obama lost the Congress, BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the Treasury Website would be good places to start. those give you the official numbers for our economy as well as the bank account information including deficits and debt

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    37% turnout of register voters in this past election does not qualify as any referendum against ACA. If you guys try to f*** with it, you can kiss the senate and the white house good bye in 2016.

    I personally hope you guys will get too cocky and over reach.


    37% and yet almost every Republican campaigned on Repeal of BO care.....yet each won running on that Platform. While the Democrats ran away from the so called Leader's Signature legislation.....even had Manchin and some looking to dial it down on their own. Imagine that.

    Now round 2 of BO's enrollment is up and a whole lot more people have lost coverage.

    Moreover now with a BO Bot Architect and the admitting that BO and Team tricked the CBO.....intentionally. Tricked the American People, and Lied to the SCOTUS. Just how do you think BO's Team will be looked upon in the Highest Court in the Land?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, did not see that but certainly understand your feelings as they are mine as well. Amazing that we still have people who buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore actual information like this. Apparently they are indeed the ones the liberals want to focus on.
    Heya Conservative. Great minds and all that.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/obamac...et-passed.html

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So the answer is, Canada likes its liberal HC system.
    It's not a "liberal" HC system, at least not in the classical definition of the term. But if you mean it's "liberal" in that it provides less that what was promised and continues to provide less and less as time goes on and that it is far more expensive than promised and continues to become more and more expensive as time goes on, then yes, it is indeed a liberal HC system.

    I'd say it's more classically conservative in that it is designed to provide equivalent services to all citizens regardless of their station in life, wealth or status, and it provides the basic necessities of coverage needed by most if not all citizens and leaves additional services at the discretion of the individual. It is, in effect, pretty bare bones, but very few people are bankrupted by illness.

    America would have been far better off if the government had decided to implement a catastrophic care policy that covered all citizens out of tax revenue and continued to leave individual choice for all the rest of medical/health care to the individual to insure or pay for out of pocket as they see the need and desire to do so. Instead, you have this bastardized system that helps no one other than insurance companies and medical practitioners/providers. Nice job.
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