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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Since they are not part of the equation, they cannot affect the equation. Did you fail math? And you continue to avoid the question of why you only mention discouraged when there are many many other reasons for no longer looking. Why do you only want to include discouraged? And of course they're not counted as unemployed...they're not unemployed.



    That was a typo. But no, they are not unemployed. Read the definition. They don't match it.

    Again, for what, the twelth time? What definition of unemployed are you using that would include discouraged but no others not trying to work?
    Done with this with you, discouraged workers are part of the U-6 number along with the rest of the under employed, that to me is the true number and should be the official number

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

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    Done with this with you, discouraged workers are part of the U-6 number along with the rest of the under employed, that to me is the true number and should be the official number
    And you STILL avoid the question.

    And by the way, the U6 is Unemployed plus All Marginally Attached (not just Discouraged) and those working part time for economic reasons. So are you now changing to want to call all Marginally Attached as Unemployed?

    Why are you continuing to refuse to give a simple definition?
    It's simple....Take the current definition:
    All persons who had no employment during the reference week, were available for work, except for temporary illness, and had made specific efforts to find employment sometime during the 4-week period ending with the reference week. Persons who were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been laid off need not have been looking for work to be classified as unemployed. http://www.bls.gov/cps/eetech_methods.pdf

    Now add one what you think should be included.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Gruber video #5: Mocking critics as “adolescent children” « Hot Air

    I bet Obama is screaming, "somebody shut this mother****er up!"
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

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    Gruber video #5: Mocking critics as “adolescent children” « Hot Air

    I bet Obama is screaming, "somebody shut this mother****er up!"
    I can't wait for the spin from the Obama press secretary.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gruber video #5: Mocking critics as “adolescent children” « Hot Air

    I bet Obama is screaming, "somebody shut this mother****er up!"
    Greetings, apdst.

    I live in Ohio, and I was wondering who was making all that noise I was hearing!

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    And you STILL avoid the question.

    And by the way, the U6 is Unemployed plus All Marginally Attached (not just Discouraged) and those working part time for economic reasons. So are you now changing to want to call all Marginally Attached as Unemployed?

    Why are you continuing to refuse to give a simple definition?
    It's simple....Take the current definition:
    All persons who had no employment during the reference week, were available for work, except for temporary illness, and had made specific efforts to find employment sometime during the 4-week period ending with the reference week. Persons who were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been laid off need not have been looking for work to be classified as unemployed. http://www.bls.gov/cps/eetech_methods.pdf

    Now add one what you think should be included.
    It seems rather simple to me, the U-6 rate is the complete story and that is where the economic policies should be focused not simply the unemployed. You are touting the Official rate, the U-3, that includes 7.5 million part time employees that want full time jobs and claiming success for Obama. That isn't success and doesn't tell the whole story, the U-6 does. That number is included in the under employed as well so use the U-6 rate which tells it all and cannot be used for political gain.

    Current U-6 is 11.5% and that is what the American electorate feels. Too high and not being addressed
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It seems rather simple to me, the U-6 rate is the complete story and that is where the economic policies should be focused not simply the unemployed. You are touting the Official rate, the U-3, that includes 7.5 million part time employees that want full time jobs and claiming success for Obama. That isn't success and doesn't tell the whole story, the U-6 does. That number is included in the under employed as well so use the U-6 rate which tells it all and cannot be used for political gain.

    Current U-6 is 11.5% and that is what the American electorate feels. Too high and not being addressed
    The U6 is indeed a useful rate for looking at the whole picture. No one is arguing otherwise. But it's not a measure of Unemployment. Seriously, while we certainly need to keep track of those working part time for economic reasons, do you really want to say they are Unemployed?

    The U3 tells us how hard it is to get a job, any job. The Discouraged do NOT tell us how hard it is to get a job: At best they tell us how hard they believed it would be to find a job 2-12 months ago. Not really useful for telling us about the current time period.

    Look at it this way, using the analogy of a store. Unemployed are the stock you have on hand in the store. Discouraged and other marginally attached are what you have in the warehouse. Part time for economic reasons are products you sold at a discount.

    When looking at the broadest picture of the total profit you could theoretically have made, sure you would include inventory in the warehouse and the difference between discount and full price. But when you're looking at what you did sell and what you could have sold....you couldn't have sold the inventory in the warehouse (because it was in the warehouse not the store) and you wouldn't say the discounted items were not sales at all. You would look at how much stock you had on hand, and how many sales you made.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    The U6 is indeed a useful rate for looking at the whole picture. No one is arguing otherwise. But it's not a measure of Unemployment. Seriously, while we certainly need to keep track of those working part time for economic reasons, do you really want to say they are Unemployed?

    The U3 tells us how hard it is to get a job, any job. The Discouraged do NOT tell us how hard it is to get a job: At best they tell us how hard they believed it would be to find a job 2-12 months ago. Not really useful for telling us about the current time period.

    Look at it this way, using the analogy of a store. Unemployed are the stock you have on hand in the store. Discouraged and other marginally attached are what you have in the warehouse. Part time for economic reasons are products you sold at a discount.

    When looking at the broadest picture of the total profit you could theoretically have made, sure you would include inventory in the warehouse and the difference between discount and full price. But when you're looking at what you did sell and what you could have sold....you couldn't have sold the inventory in the warehouse (because it was in the warehouse not the store) and you wouldn't say the discounted items were not sales at all. You would look at how much stock you had on hand, and how many sales you made.

    Seems that far too many simply look at the official unemployment rate and claim success or failure. There is more to that rate than meets the eye and since the Architect of Obamacare claims the electorate is stupid a bigger picture has to be painted. There are 7.5 million part time workers who want full time jobs and that has to be addressed. Simply giving Obama or any President for the official rate doesn't tell the entire story and in part is why Obama lost the Congress and why I say he has not done his job.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Dang. Y'all are making me dizzy.

    That's it. I'm never going to use an analogy again.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Dang. Y'all are making me dizzy.

    That's it. I'm never going to use an analogy again.
    Do you mean that like "I'm never gonna drink again" or like "I'm never gonna drink milk without smelling it first again".

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