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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

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    Really? discouraged workers don't affect the officially released unemployment rate? The more discouraged workers the lower the unemployment number and the lower the OFFICIALLY released rate.
    Same thing for ANYONE who stops looking for any reason: illness, injury, pregancy, family issues, transportation issues, going back to school, winning the lottery, finding a sugar daddy/mama.

    The U-6 rate remains high,
    The U6 is more than just discouraged.


    the labor force hasn't kept up with population growth,
    Mostly because a lower percent of the population wants a job.

    and the number of part time workers looking for full time jobs remains high.
    but on the way down.
    The electorate sees it, why can't you?
    What is it you think I don't see? NONE of what you've said has anything to do with your claim that discouraged are really employed. Is that how you work? You make a claim and then when asked about it, ignore the actual question and spin off a billion other points that are, at best, tangentially related.

    I only asked what your definition of unemployed was that you consider discouraged to be clearly unemployed. You won't answer. Why not? It was a simple question.
    Here, I'll help you out. The official definition of Unemployed is:
    Unemployed persons.
    All persons who had no employment during the reference week, were available for work, except for temporary illness, and had made specific efforts to find employment sometime during the 4-week period ending with the reference week. Persons who were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been laid off need not have been looking for work to be classified as unemployed. http://www.bls.gov/cps/eetech_methods.pdf

    What's yours?
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Same thing for ANYONE who stops looking for any reason: illness, injury, pregancy, family issues, transportation issues, going back to school, winning the lottery, finding a sugar daddy/mama.



    The U6 is more than just discouraged.



    Mostly because a lower percent of the population wants a job.

    but on the way down.

    What is it you think I don't see? NONE of what you've said has anything to do with your claim that discouraged are really employed. Is that how you work? You make a claim and then when asked about it, ignore the actual question and spin off a billion other points that are, at best, tangentially related.

    I only asked what your definition of unemployed was that you consider discouraged to be clearly unemployed. You won't answer. Why not? It was a simple question.
    Here, I'll help you out. The official definition of Unemployed is:
    Unemployed persons.
    All persons who had no employment during the reference week, were available for work, except for temporary illness, and had made specific efforts to find employment sometime during the 4-week period ending with the reference week. Persons who were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been laid off need not have been looking for work to be classified as unemployed. http://www.bls.gov/cps/eetech_methods.pdf

    What's yours?
    I have no idea what it is about people like you who simply cannot admit that the more discouraged workers the lower the unemployment rate and that discouraged workers aren't counted in the unemployment numbers officially released. Never did I say that discouraged workers were employed but said the exact opposite, they are unemployed. That high number plus the high number of part time employees have made the rate lower than it really is. This coupled with the failed leadership of Obama plus poor economic policies are what the electorate is seeing. He won the election in 2008 with 53% of the vote. Today his support is 41% or a 13% drop. Those are supporters who have lost faith in him. If the GOP had put up good Senatorial candidates in 2010 he would have lost the Senate as well. The people feel the economic effects of Obama and no matter how you spin the numbers, discouraged workers, part time employment, massive debt are affecting the economy and led to Obama's loss of Congress

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have no idea what it is about people like you who simply cannot admit that the more discouraged workers the lower the unemployment rate and that discouraged workers aren't counted in the unemployment numbers officially released.
    Since they are not part of the equation, they cannot affect the equation. Did you fail math? And you continue to avoid the question of why you only mention discouraged when there are many many other reasons for no longer looking. Why do you only want to include discouraged? And of course they're not counted as unemployed...they're not unemployed.


    Never did I say that discouraged workers were employed but said the exact opposite, they are unemployed.
    That was a typo. But no, they are not unemployed. Read the definition. They don't match it.

    Again, for what, the twelth time? What definition of unemployed are you using that would include discouraged but no others not trying to work?
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you have the cash, invest down South. Mexico may seem crazy, but it's where a lot of Americans go to retire for a reason. Food is cheap, life is great, and you get to walk by the beach every day if you want to. Price of a 2 floor home with all the bells and whistles? Around $40-50K
    Yes, Grim said the same thing. But to be honest, I have an inherent fear of living anywhere but the United States. I have traveled the world and experienced many cultures. I would never change that either. These exposures were truly a blessing. I have been to Mexico many times and I have enjoyed myself there very much. But, especially as of late, I am no longer inclined to even visit Mexico. Been there, done that. I'm sure my "foreign paranoia," if you will, is relatively unfounded if you and Grim have experienced positive experiences there but it is what it is.

    Besides, I'm a Florida baby. I have family there. I have boats and fishing gear there. I have GPS numbers of some of the BEST fishing spots there. And, most of all, my wife LOVES it there. Happy wife, happy life. 'Nuff said? LOL!

    Have a great weekend Hatuey. Thanks for getting back to me.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yes, Grim said the same thing. But to be honest, I have an inherent fear of living anywhere but the United States. I have traveled the world and experienced many cultures. I would never change that either. These exposures were truly a blessing. I have been to Mexico many times and I have enjoyed myself there very much. But, especially as of late, I am no longer inclined to even visit Mexico. Been there, done that. I'm sure my "foreign paranoia," if you will, is relatively unfounded if you and Grim have experienced positive experiences there but it is what it is.

    Besides, I'm a Florida baby. I have family there. I have boats and fishing gear there. I have GPS numbers of some of the BEST fishing spots there. And, most of all, my wife LOVES it there. Happy wife, happy life. 'Nuff said? LOL!
    Just a little option to have in mind. I'm in the process of purchasing a house there right now. Renting it out to some Canadians on 6 month leases and having a friend watch over it for another 6. Good investment in case **** in the US gets worse.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Just a little option to have in mind. I'm in the process of purchasing a house there right now. Renting it out to some Canadians on 6 month leases and having a friend watch over it for another 6. Good investment in case **** in the US gets worse.
    It's always good to have a plan "B."

    But it's hard to imagine things ever getting any worse in the US than they already are in Mexico. But, from a "tourista," point of view, I can see how Mexico might not seem so bad if one can stay somewhat removed from corrupt nature of Mexico, in general. But I have to say, the Mexican people in Mexico, as well as the Mexican-American people I have met in South Texas, are the salt of the earth. We could learn a LOT about just "being good people," from them.

    Pretty soon, if things keep going as they seem to appear to be, it won't be long until much of the United States becomes Mexico anyways. Perhaps the move would become unnecessary.

    It's kind of ironic. Mexicans are risking life and limb to come to the US for a better life and Americans are talking about moving to Mexico. LOL!

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It's always good to have a plan "B."

    But it's hard to imagine things ever getting any worse in the US than they already are in Mexico. But, from a "tourista," point of view, I can see how Mexico might not seem so bad if one can stay somewhat removed from corrupt nature of mexico in general. But I have to say, the Mexican people in Mexico, as well as the Mexican people I have met in south Texas, are the salt of the earth. We could learn a LOT about just "being good people," from them.

    Pretty soon, if things keep going as they seem to appear to be, it won't be long until the United States becomes Mexico. Perhaps the move would become unnecessary.

    It's kind of ironic. Mexicans are risking life and limb to come to the US for a better life and Americans are talking about moving to Mexico. LOL!
    Yep, it's kind of sad that there are so many Americans who want to put up a wall between the US and Mexico. We share history, culture and customs. I spent nearly 2 years living there and I couldn't imagine a better people. They work harder than the average American and complain half as much if at all. I definitely wouldn't mind retiring there. Maybe later I'll post some pics of the house and how we're securing it.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yep, it's kind of sad that there are so many Americans who want to put up a wall between the US and Mexico. We share history, culture and customs. I spent nearly 2 years living there and I couldn't imagine a better people. They work harder than the average American and complain half as much if at all. I definitely wouldn't mind retiring there. Maybe later I'll post some pics of the house and how we're securing it.
    That would be awesome. I'll see if I can dig up some photos I took in Mexico as well. It is, without a doubt, a beautiful country generally speaking. Truly, I wouldn't mind going back but I have been there 10-12 times already and with limited funds, and limited time, there are some other places on my bucket list I have yet to get too.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    That would be awesome. I'll see if I can dig up some photos I took in Mexico as well. It is, without a doubt, a beautiful country generally speaking. Truly, I wouldn't mind going back but I have been there 10-12 times already and with limited funds, and limited time, there are some other places on my bucket list I have yet to get too.
    Go to Cuba. We've stopped regulating travel laws to that country almost a decade ago. Definitely a place to visit if you've got the means. I go because of my wife. Great country, food and the people are beautiful.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Go to Cuba. We've stopped regulating travel laws to that country almost a decade ago. Definitely a place to visit if you've got the means. I go because of my wife. Great country, food and the people are beautiful.
    You know, that is a good idea. It's not that far and I bet it is very affordable. I have heard many stories about how beautiful and fun Cuba is. I think the US is cutting off their nose to spite their face in regards to our relationship to Cuba. Things have changed. Times are different. Maybe it's time to just get over it and let by-gone's be by-gone's. Who knows what kind of positive things could happen if everyone would just take a step back and re-consider.

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