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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Post exactly where in the law that there are death panels????

    Stop listening to that brainless b**** from Alaska !!!!!
    So, you would rather we listen to the folks who admittedly lied just get this turd passed and think we're all stupid? BTW, when Hans Gruber called Americans stupid, you're included in that. He didn't exclude anyone.

    Tell ya what, I'll pass on that.

    One last thing, did you here Hans admit that Massachussetts ripped off the Federal government? "Rip off", are his exact words.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Since when is this Hans Gruber guy, all of a sudden, a source beyond reproach?

    Heck, two weeks ago I had never even heard of him.

    But, I do understand. I remember how upset we got when we figured out that we got lied to about the Iraq war from Bush Corp.

    Nobody likes to get lied to.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    GREAT post!

    In regards to Obamacare, as watered down and difficult to understand as it is, I have long felt that the initial implementation was merely to crack the door open to be improved upon in due time. Now that it is there, I think you would be hard pressed trying to take it away. Obama was elected to do SOMETHING about healthcare and he did. Although I can see no ill-effects on myself, or anyone I know, I realize and accept that there are those who do. Let's work together on it and tweak it until we get it right. (Yeah, right. LOL!)
    Myself, I think the main problem with healthcare is that everyone in that industry is trying to be a millionaire. When a Tylenol costs 9.00 and the paper cup it comes in cost 10.00, there is something fundamentally wrong. Personally, I think we would better served addressing that problem first.

    I might not approve of teacher's teaching intelligent design but I have no objection to them presenting it as an idea that's out there. (WAY out there. LOL!)

    I have no objection to preacher's preaching against homo's. But I don't want the government to take it upon itself to deny the gays their right to marry. Or any other right all Americans should enjoy. If the church won't conduct their ceremony, I am also against the government mandating them to. They can go down to the courthouse and do it if they must.

    I cannot mandate that all the posters here treat each other with respect and quit being dickhead's. But I know that I am going to make every effort, going forth, to do that myself. Maybe, just maybe, I can get a few others to follow my lead. I dunno.

    But I do know that my "kinder, gentler," approach has brought me to terms with a few posters already, whom I have had a difficult past with. I have come to learn that they aren't such bad dudes after all. I am blessed to have this change with my Debate Politics experience. I should have done this a long time ago. I encourage anyone and everyone to give it a try. I'm very glad I did. Maybe they will be glad too.
    Being a pure libertarian (little "L") I don't want the FEDERAL government to deny rights to anybody, including gay people, nor do I want the federal government mandating marriage or any other social issue to any state, community, group or person. Such I do not see as prerogative of the federal government as intended, and that includes a healthcare program that mandates that any social action or program of any kind to anybody. And I'm pretty sure you would see that as extreme and that's okay. The Founders themselves took eleven long years to win our liberty and debate all the controversial issues that resulted in a nation where the people were supposed to be free to achieve their destiny and create whatever sorts of society they wished to have.

    It sure wouldn't hurt any of us to engage in those debates again.

    As for you being kinder and gentler, I didn't know that you weren't always that way. But it is a pleasure to engage in an intelligent discussion in which we can disagree without feeling a need to demonize each other. I define tolerance as people disagreeing, even strongly disagreeing, while appreciating that nobody has to be evil and sometimes nobody even has to be wrong.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Being a pure libertarian (little "L") I don't want the FEDERAL government to deny rights to anybody, including gay people, nor do I want the federal government mandating marriage or any other social issue to any state, community, group or person. Such I do not see as prerogative of the federal government as intended, and that includes a healthcare program that mandates that any social action or program of any kind to anybody. And I'm pretty sure you would see that as extreme and that's okay. The Founders themselves took eleven long years to win our liberty and debate all the controversial issues that resulted in a nation where the people were supposed to be free to achieve their destiny and create whatever sorts of society they wished to have.

    It sure wouldn't hurt any of us to engage in those debates again.

    As for you being kinder and gentler, I didn't know that you weren't always that way. But it is a pleasure to engage in an intelligent discussion in which we can disagree without feeling a need to demonize each other. I define tolerance as people disagreeing, even strongly disagreeing, while appreciating that nobody has to be evil and sometimes nobody even has to be wrong.
    Right on my Sista!

    Oh, and you got some very good points as well. I could get behind that.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Since when is this Hans Gruber guy, all of a sudden, a source beyond reproach?

    Heck, two weeks ago I had never even heard of him.

    But, I do understand. I remember how upset we got when we figured out that we got lied to about the Iraq war from Bush Corp.

    Nobody likes to get lied to.
    Except, this time, we were actually lied to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Since when is this Hans Gruber guy, all of a sudden, a source beyond reproach?

    Heck, two weeks ago I had never even heard of him.

    But, I do understand. I remember how upset we got when we figured out that we got lied to about the Iraq war from Bush Corp.

    Nobody likes to get lied to.
    I never heard of him either. But anyone with half a brain should have known all the great stuff the ACA was suppose to do, even before it was passed, couldn't be no more than lie and pie in the sky.

    When the ACA was passed everyone knew, Republicans and Democrats the majority of Americans were against it. RCP had it 38% for 58% against at that time. I don't think even if the voters knew everything Gruber said about the ACA back then, it may have dropped its support among the people to say 34%, perhaps less. But I really doubt Gruber or anyone else would have changed one Democratic vote. If the Democrats were going to pass it by themselves with 58% of America against it, they would have passed it with 62% or 65% against it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Fox didn't call American voters idiots and didn't lie to get a disastrous health care law passed.

    The Democrats, the President and one of the key architects did.

    Do you people ever tire of defending low lifes ?
    Get over this phony outrage. Every single right winger whines and bitches about how stupid the American voter is after any election where they lose ground. Every single time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, it's FNC's fault that a liberal putz got caught saying what you all believe?
    MOAR phony outrage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wish you had the same amount of outrage over the terrible economic and foreign policy results of Obama as you have with outrage over Fox. Someone has to give the Obama results and it happens to be Fox
    LOL... the economy is rolling by comparison to where it was when Bush handed his flaming poo economy over. Osama is dead... something your boy Bush couldn't do... so your whole post is FoS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Get over this phony outrage. Every single right winger whines and bitches about how stupid the American voter is after any election where they lose ground. Every single time.
    Joe Wilson was right in oh so many ways....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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