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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry but the actual numbers are bls.gov, bea.gov, Census bureau and other economic data from the state. Your so called data is skewed due to illegals. there is a reason that Republicans control the state and our new governor got almost 60% of the vote, it is called results. You ought to demand more from the liberal elites because their results only benefit the liberal elite

    You still don't know how to interpret those.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Likewise, you ol' rightwing so and so.

    You remind me of an old buddy of mine I sorely miss. Does anybody remember the Missouri Mule?
    I do. He was a pleasure. And I mean that. Miss him myself.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You still don't know how to interpret those.
    Of course I don't and apparently the Fortune 500 Companies and millions of Americans who have moved here don't either.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course I don't and apparently the Fortune 500 Companies and millions of Americans who have moved here don't either.
    No, you don't, and they don't measure it like you either.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you don't, and they don't measure it like you either.
    Got it, Fortune 500 companies and millions of Americans have moved to TX because of no insurance, low pay, and high environmental problems? Liberal logic?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That may depend on how the Democrats react to last week. Several posters had said the Democrats loss was due to the fact they failed to get their message across, if they stick with that then they didn't learn anything. Some posters blamed turn out, but according to the exist polls more Democrats turned out to vote than Republicans by a 37-34 margin. Blame turnout and again they fail to learn anything from last week.

    I have only one thing to say to both parties, "It's the economy stupid." The Democrats were elected in 2008 to fix the economy, instead they concentrated on health care. 78% of those who voted said they were worried about about the economy in the years ahead. This is where priority number one should be focused by both parties, not on immigration reform being rattled about by the president. Listening to him he didn't learn anything either.

    Did the Republicans?
    We will find out soon. If the establishment republicans again go to war against the Tea Party, or are afraid to start chipping away at obamacare (the real econony killer), and are afraid to tackle out of control government spending....then they will not have learned anything. We will see.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    With SS I think it should be gradually faded out, maybe with the boomers, maybe anyone over 40 can keep it, or make it optional. I would have much more if I invested that money that has been involuntarily taken from me for years by the time I retire. One size fits all aint my thing.
    Bush had the right idea....start privatizing it. Too many Americans just do not realize how much they are getting screwed by the government in regards to Social Security.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    We will find out soon. If the establishment republicans again go to war against the Tea Party, or are afraid to start chipping away at obamacare (the real econony killer), and are afraid to tackle out of control government spending....then they will not have learned anything. We will see.
    Yeah, we will see. It is no use getting excited until we see how everyone is going to act. Spouting rhetoic about the debt and spending etc is easy, doing something about it is hard.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I am of the opinion, as stated in the 1956 Republican platform, that in matters of the people, government decisions should always be liberal. And in matters of the people's money, government decisions should always be conservative.

    I think that is one of the problems with our society today. A lot of people think it has to be "either/or."

    For example, you and I go at it like cat's and dogs here at Debate Politics. Yeah, it does neither of our our blood pressures any good service but that's what people do here, anyways. I get it.

    But in the "real world," if you will, it's not like this. In fact, I would venture to say that a LOT of my friends and family think much like you do. But that doesn't stop us from getting together and watching a Sunday football game and drink some beer together. Often, my friends like you, go fishing together and we have a BLAST! I would give them the shirt off my back and they would do the same for me. Somehow, we manage to keep these divisive opinions out of our relationship. One of my dearest friends, (and front house engineer,) makes you look like Nancy Pelosi he is so conservative. But we are the BEST of friends.

    I don't know why that can't be practiced here at Debate Politics as well. But it is what it is, I suppose.

    No, I have come to learn that, at least in my world, that people of both leans basically want the same things, and have more in common with each other, than differences.

    For example. I want national security for myself, friends and family. I want the strongest defensive military on the globe. Stronger than any military ever known to mankind. I bet you want that too. Where we might part company on that issue is where I think that we should not send our son's and daughters to some foreign land, to fight and die in a war that is only necessary to be economically dominate and to expend our munitions so that our defense industry will have to create more. Sure, that might be good for the economy of some, but at what cost? Is it worth the life of our child? I don't think our military needs to be 5 times bigger than the rest of the world's military's combined. (Two times is sufficient for me. LOL!) That is a matter of money as well as defense. Military spending should be "conservative." Yet, "today's" conservatives seem to think that we should grow our military indefinitely and to even whisper an idea of cutting back is blasphemous. I don't know, you might agree with this too. But probably not. I really don't know.

    In matters of "the people," no doubt, I am as liberal as it gets. It is in my nature to "live and let live," and be tolerant of others who might have a lifestyle different from mine. "Today's" conservatives, or those who profess to be, take issue with that. They seem to want to tread on those who differ from them by shoving their views and opinions down the throats of everyone else by way of law. I take issue with that.

    I am firm in my belief's that people who take advantage of our nation's welfare system, people who, for some reason, think the government owes them a living, should be hung out to dry. That's where I part company with many of the democrat/liberal minded folks. But many democrat/liberals do agree with that, as well. There is no "no size fits all." I have no patience with those who think they are entitled and that is where my "live and let live," ends.

    I could care less if two queers tie the knot or not. That is a matter "of the people." It should be solved in a liberal way. That is where I part company with many of "today's" self-professed conservatives. But, then again, I know several conservatives that agree with me on that issue as well. Again, there is no "one size fits all."

    What really boils my blood is people who act like assholes when they disagree with my take on things. I have never been one to just sit back and be treated like **** without putting up a fight. That's probably the Texan in me or my past military training. I believe people can have different views without being pricks about it. For crissakes, I am a Master Freemason with the tallest flagpole on my block. To suggest that I don't love this country and care about it is just asnine. You don't get more American than being a Freemason. A veteran Freemason, no less.

    Yes, you and I go at here at DP. But you very well could be one of the people I sit in my boat with, or have a beer at the bar with, and get along fine with. in "real life."

    Why we (speaking about all of us here,) have to treat each other with such disrespect here at DP is beyond me. I am as guilty of it as the next person.

    But I'm going to work on that.
    You make some great points here and I very much wish we could debate all of them civilly and thoughtfully on a message board.

    For instance we are probably in close agreement as to having a national defense so powerful that it keeps the peace because nobody would dare mess with us. And we are probably in close agreement that we should not be sending our sons and daughters off to die in some war that we have no business being in and/or that our sons and daughters will not be allowed to win.

    We are also on the same plain when it comes to a live and let live tolerance and liberty. But whether we would agree on what that looks like, I don't know. I do think most conservatives probably take a different path to get there than do liberals. You and I might agree, for instance, that intelligent design has no place in the science curriculum and would vote that way for our own school system given an opportunity to do so. But would you agree that the community who votes to include intelligent design in their science curriculum should be allowed to do that without a lot of harassment and criticism from others? For me, true liberty and tolerance would say yes. I do NOT want to debate intelligent design here and use that for an example only. We could look at gay marriage or abortion or religious rights or welfare or minimum wage or just about any social issue in the same way.

    In the case of Obamacare, however, you didn't and I didn't have any opportunity to vote on that. And now that the administration admits that it played us all for fools, I wonder if liberals and conservatives can come together and protest that with one voice?
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You make some great points here and I very much wish we could debate all of them civilly and thoughtfully on a message board.

    For instance we are probably in close agreement as to having a national defense so powerful that it keeps the peace because nobody would dare mess with us. And we are probably in close agreement that we should not be sending our sons and daughters off to die in some war that we have no business being in and/or that our sons and daughters will not be allowed to win.

    We are also on the same plain when it comes to a live and let live tolerance and liberty. But whether we would agree on what that looks like, I don't know. I do think most conservatives probably take a different path to get there than do liberals. You and I might agree, for instance, that intelligent design has no place in the science curriculum and would vote that way for our own school system given an opportunity to do so. But would you agree that the community who votes to include intelligent design in their science curriculum should be allowed to do that without a lot of harassment and criticism from others? For me, true liberty and tolerance would say yes. I do NOT want to debate intelligent design here and use that for an example only. We could look at gay marriage or abortion or religious rights or welfare or minimum wage or just about any social issue in the same way.

    In the case of Obamacare, however, you didn't and I didn't have any opportunity to vote on that. And now that the administration admits that it played us all for fools, I wonder if liberals and conservatives can come together and protest that with one voice?
    GREAT post!

    In regards to Obamacare, as watered down and difficult to understand as it is, I have long felt that the initial implementation was merely to crack the door open to be improved upon in due time. Now that it is there, I think you would be hard pressed trying to take it away. Obama was elected to do SOMETHING about healthcare and he did. Although I can see no ill-effects on myself, or anyone I know, I realize and accept that there are those who do. Let's work together on it and tweak it until we get it right. (Yeah, right. LOL!)
    Myself, I think the main problem with healthcare is that everyone in that industry is trying to be a millionaire. When a Tylenol costs 9.00 and the paper cup it comes in cost 10.00, there is something fundamentally wrong. Personally, I think we would better served addressing that problem first.

    I might not approve of teacher's teaching intelligent design but I have no objection to them presenting it as an idea that's out there. (WAY out there. LOL!)

    I have no objection to preacher's preaching against homo's. But I don't want the government to take it upon itself to deny the gays their right to marry. Or any other right all Americans should enjoy. If the church won't conduct their ceremony, I am also against the government mandating them to. They can go down to the courthouse and do it if they must.

    I cannot mandate that all the posters here treat each other with respect and quit being dickhead's. But I know that I am going to make every effort, going forth, to do that myself. Maybe, just maybe, I can get a few others to follow my lead. I dunno.

    But I do know that my "kinder, gentler," approach has brought me to terms with a few posters already, whom I have had a difficult past with. I have come to learn that they aren't such bad dudes after all. I am blessed to have this change with my Debate Politics experience. I should have done this a long time ago. I encourage anyone and everyone to give it a try. I'm very glad I did. Maybe they will be glad too.

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