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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I am of the opinion, as stated in the 1956 Republican platform, that in matters of the people, government decisions should always be liberal. And in matters of the people's money, government decisions should always be conservative.

    I think that is one of the problems with our society today. A lot of people think it has to be "either/or."

    For example, you and I go at it like cat's and dogs here at Debate Politics. Yeah, it does our blood pressure no good service but that's what people do here anyways. I get it.

    But in the "real world, if you will, it's not like this. In fact, I would venture to say that a LOT of my friends and family think much like you do. But that doesn't stop us from getting together and watching a football game and drink some beer together. Often, my frinds like you, go fishing together and we have a BLAST! I would give them the shirt off my back and they would do the same for me. Somehow, we manage to keep these divisive opinons out of our relationship.

    No, I have come to learn that, at least in my world, that people of both leans basically want the same things and have more in common with each other than differences.

    I don't know why that can't be practiced here at Debate Politics as well. But it is what it is, I suppose.

    For example. I want national security for myself, friends and family. I want the strongest defensive military on the globe. Stronger than any military ever known to mankind. I bet you want that too. Where we might part company on that issue is where I think that we should not send our son's and daughters to some foreign land, to fight and die in a war that is only necessary to be economically dominate and to expend our munitions so that our defense industry will have to create more. Sure, that might be good for the economy of some, but at what cost? Is it worth the life of our child? I don't know, you might agree with this too.

    In matters of "the people," no doubt, I am as liberal as it gets. It is in my nature to "live and let live," and be tolerant of others who might have a lifestyle different from mine. "Today's" conservatives, or those who profess to be, take issue with that.

    I am firm in my beliefs that people who take advantage of our nation's welfare system, people who, for some reason, think the government owes them a living, should be hung out to dry. That's where I part company with many of the democrat/liberal minded folks. But many democrat/liberals do agree with that as well. I have no patience with those who think they are entitled and that is where my "live and let live," ends.

    I could care less if two queers tie the knot or not. That is a matter "of the people." It should be solved in a liberal way. That is where I part company with many of "today's" self-professed conservatives. But, then again, I know several conservatives that agree with me on that issue as well.

    What really boils my blood is people who act like assholes when they disagree with my take on things. I have never been one to just sit back and be treated like **** without putting up a fight. I believe people can have different views without being pricks about it.

    Yes, you and I go at here at DP. But you very well could be one of the people I sit in my boat with, or have a beer at the bar with, and get along fine with. in "real life."

    Why we (speaking about all of us here,) have to treat each other with such disrespect here at DP is beyond me. I am as guilty of it as the next person.

    But I'm going to work on that.
    I have a place in Mexico a block from the Sea of Cortez (better know as the Gulf of California) and the fishing is fantastic. I'm here right now and it's the perfect time of year to pack a cooler, jump on a boat, drop a line in and pop open a cerveza.

    If you head this way in the future, let me know so I can get my gear together and round up a boat.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I grew up in the 50's when all the social safety net was social security. Helping each other out is exactly what we did. Speaking of the social net, did you see this poll:

    Medicare - Rasmussen Reports™
    So people like government programs when they are 'free'? I think we could have told that to the pollsters earlier and saved them some money.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So people like government programs when they are 'free'? I think we could have told that to the pollsters earlier and saved them some money.
    It is the perception of being free. But someone along the line is paying for all this free stuff. Nothing is free.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Thank you for reminding me.... I had forgotten that not having enough time to read the bill, was indeed one of the main reason stated by Republicans for voting "no" on Obamacare. Republicans did precisely the right thing by not voting to pass a bill that they had not been given time to read. Thanks to Mr. Gruber, we now understand exactly why the Democrats wouldn't allow anyone to read it before voting to pass it. If they had done so, their scam would have been exposed.

    Again, you really should have thought things out a little better before hitting the "Post" button.
    That wasn't the reason wht they voted no. They voted no because they claim it will kill jobs. Now how would you know this if you haven't read the bill?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There were more Republicans that read it than Democrats. How do you think we found out about the death panel?
    Post exactly where in the law that there are death panels????

    Stop listening to that brainless b**** from Alaska !!!!!

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thank you very much for the post and very insightful comments. You are right, we aren't that very far apart on the major issues facing this country with the difference being who implements it. I am a strong advocate of states' rights knowing that the closer the govt. is to the people the more accountable it is to the people. That is what our Founders seemed to believe.

    This country was built in individual freedoms and personal responsibility. Far too many today have delegated that responsibility to someone else and we all know you cannot delegate personal responsibility. I believe all social programs should be left to the states and local governments where the politicians actually live in the communities they serve. I believe in a part time legislature like we have in TX and politicians having to live under the laws they create and face the electorate face to face. I do not believe in delegating that responsibility to a federal bureaucrat in D.C.

    Our Founders believed in a small central govt. and neighbor helping neighbor. IMO they would be mortified to see the 3.8 trillion dollar govt. we have today and the almost 18 trillion dollar debt with much of it entitlement spending. To me neighbor helping neighbor and giving a hand up rather than a hand out is the way to go

    I give a lot to charity in time, treasure, and talent and know where that time, money, and talent goes. It isn't a coincidence that when people get to keep more of what they earn they are more charitable and that means less need for Federal programs that cost more in administrative costs and generates less assistance than the same dollar spent at the state and local levels.

    We have a society today who seems to have too many people who have lost their way and sense of personal responsibility. It is going to take some tough love to get that back and it isn't going to be pretty. It is going to be like weening people off drugs or tobacco, a lot of mental and physical pain but it has to be done. We cannot sustain the spending levels we have and the very poor results being generated.

    I do hope the country wakes up but I do appreciate your post and know I will try as well to be more civil. God bless
    You know, I have picked this post apart from one end to the other, and I cannot find one single thing I disagree with. I think you and me need to start over. Somewhere, we got sideways. Not sure where. But you just said just about everything I believe in as well. WTF? I think we need to go fishing.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Apparently economics may give him a bit of trouble too.
    I think it gives all economists trouble. They try to make it seem like economics is a science when it is actually a collection of opinions. And we all know what $1 and an opinion will buy - or maybe $4 if you go to a high end coffee shop.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I have a place in Mexico a block from the Sea of Cortez (better know as the Gulf of California) and the fishing is fantastic. I'm here right now and it's the perfect time of year to pack a cooler, jump on a boat, drop a line in and pop open a cerveza.

    If you head this way in the future, let me know so I can get my gear together and round up a boat.
    I would not hesitate for a split second to take you up on that. It would be an honor to fish with you.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No you are pointing out your version of the facts and those of an op ed writer none of which are confirmed by BLS, Treasury, Census, or other economic sites
    No, actual facts, supported by the actual numbers.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You know, I have picked this post apart from one end to the other, and I cannot find one single thing I disagree with. I think you and me need to start over. Somewhere, we got sideways. Not sure where. But you just said just about everything I believe in as well. WTF? I think we need to go fishing.
    Name the time and the place although Ice fishing would be a problem for me after being out of the midwest for 22 years.

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