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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Most people have lives away from politics and they rely largely on perceptions. They may be low infos politically but that doesn't mean, as Gruber said, that they are stupid. They are just smart in other areas which have greater interest for them.

    Demcrats have been very good at developing perceptions, that the Republicans are racist, anti women, etc. and when its said often enough these people buy into it. As well the MSM plays along with it.

    I have a feeling these 'stupid' voters will respond if the message from their leaders is repeated often enough. They just need to be made aware of the lack of respect Obama and his advisers have for them.
    I would agree with you. It brings to mind, for me, Romney's comment about the 47% never voting for him and the firestorm that caused in the media and political talk circles. For me, the comment about not being transparent because the average American voter is stupid is far more damaging and disrespectful, but it depends on your perspective, and as you say perceptions.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

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    As more of the lies of the ACA come out, and as peoples new and higher rates come in the mail I doubt its popularity will rise. I think it will eventually crumble, either through SCOTUS or from a repeal of the mandate.
    I don't know. The one thing I know is it is not going anywhere as long as Obama is president. Now depending on how the SCOTUS rules on the subsidies, that could change things. But the more time passes, the more the ACA becomes ingrained in our healthcare system. A blanket repeal won't work now, there is no going back to the old system.

    We are stuck with socialized health insurance. Notice I didn't say socialized health care. I just can't understand why the Democrats didn't listen to the people?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know. The one thing I know is it is not going anywhere as long as Obama is president. Now depending on how the SCOTUS rules on the subsidies, that could change things. But the more time passes, the more the ACA becomes ingrained in our healthcare system. A blanket repeal won't work now, there is no going back to the old system.

    We are stuck with socialized health insurance. Notice I didn't say socialized health care. I just can't understand why the Democrats didn't listen to the people?
    The dems dont care about "the people", they care about their agenda and are more than willing to lie to achieve that. I think measures to gut the ACA are still very much doable, this isn't as entrenched as say social security (which I also oppose).

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I would agree with you. It brings to mind, for me, Romney's comment about the 47% never voting for him and the firestorm that caused in the media and political talk circles. For me, the comment about not being transparent because the average American voter is stupid is far more damaging and disrespectful, but it depends on your perspective, and as you say perceptions.
    That it did become "a firestorm" is where political skills and a compliant media came in. Romney didn't say anything that wasn't true (unlike Obama), it is that it made him appear indifferent to the plight of the lower middle classes, or at least they were able to skew it that way.

    The public had already warmed up to this perception through Bain Capital, the 'out of touch rich guy', etc.. Once that idea had been planted it was just a matter of waiting for the right opportunity, and the 47% remark was it. Of course none of this had anything to do with whether or not he would be a good President.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know. The one thing I know is it is not going anywhere as long as Obama is president. Now depending on how the SCOTUS rules on the subsidies, that could change things. But the more time passes, the more the ACA becomes ingrained in our healthcare system. A blanket repeal won't work now, there is no going back to the old system.

    We are stuck with socialized health insurance. Notice I didn't say socialized health care. I just can't understand why the Democrats didn't listen to the people?
    I'd expect Obama to veto anything from congress as long as he's in power, but what can he do against SCOTUS?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know. The one thing I know is it is not going anywhere as long as Obama is president. Now depending on how the SCOTUS rules on the subsidies, that could change things. But the more time passes, the more the ACA becomes ingrained in our healthcare system. A blanket repeal won't work now, there is no going back to the old system.

    We are stuck with socialized health insurance. Notice I didn't say socialized health care. I just can't understand why the Democrats didn't listen to the people?
    Because we are stupid, Pero! I know it's hard to admit, but it must be true since I heard someone say it who sincerely believes what he said! That means that someone has to do our thinking for us, and who better than a government that knows what's best for us? Aren't you glad that we are so fortunate that they care enough to run our lives for us? *cough*

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    I don't know, I've always known increased taxes on Corporations were just passed onto the Consumer.

    But the Left wingers have always told me that was bull.

    Now, a hard core lefty admits the OBVIOUS as he detailed the iniative to pull the wool over the eyes of all us idiots.

    So Gruber's saying the Conservatives of the Country are the only ones who're economically literate.

    Well thank you for that Gruber ! You're still a lying POS Liberal

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Oh, and I thank Gruber for clarifying the whole State subsidies issue !

    Hope that comes in handy when SCOTUS takes a look at the latest challenge.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Most people have lives away from politics and they rely largely on perceptions. They may be low infos politically but that doesn't mean, as Gruber said, that they are stupid. They are just smart in other areas which have greater interest for them.

    Demcrats have been very good at developing perceptions, that the Republicans are racist, anti women, etc. and when its said often enough these people buy into it. As well the MSM plays along with it.

    I have a feeling these 'stupid' voters will respond if the message from their leaders is repeated often enough. They just need to be made aware of the lack of respect Obama and his advisers have for them.
    Yes, in politics perception is everything. In any political campaign, truth becomes the first casualty. Someone had said that he who lies best and makes the most people believe his lies will win the election. I do think for the most part that is true.

    along those line there was this poll:

    Just 4% Say Candidates Keep Their Campaign Promises - Rasmussen Reports™

    campaign promises are not the same as the lies candidates tell about each other, but I think it falls into the same perview. Candidates know what promises they can keep and which they can't long before they make them. So it does sort of fall into the lie arena.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    ObamaCare isn't " affordable ".

    Thats the paradox, or the contradiction. Remember ? They had to LIE to get it through a Democrat Congress.

    According to the key architect, by design it raies cost for the young and healthy.

    That would be the bulk of the Middle class.
    I think the libs on this board know the gig is up...that's why some of them are now talking up HSAs as if they are manna from heaven. It's their way of begrudgedly admitting that Americans are getting screwed with extremely high deductibles under obamacare.

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