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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Well, they do rely on the "low information voter" to get anywhere. That suggests they automatically think the voter is stupid, and until last Tuesday they had a very valid argument.
    I disagree with that. Most voters know what they want, but if they get what is/was promised is another thing. Sure we have approximate 50% of the electorate who base their vote only on the R and the D. Well, perhaps you are right. If that is all you base your vote on, that is low information among other things.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't care what someone else makes only extortion to generate the money much of which goes to the union bosses that do absolutely nothing to grow the business.
    So exactly like I said. Got it!
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That is the essence of Liberalism.
    I heard something the other day that gave me a chuckle. It went something like this, "Liberals pass a law hoping you don't understand it and Conservatives pass a law hoping you do understand it." It probably wasn't in those exact words, but that does get the feeling across. Much like Churchill's, "If you are not a Liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you are not a Conservative when you are old, you have no brain."

    But Liberal and Conservative has lost a lot of their original meaning over the years. When I think of those two ideologies, I think in terms of Classic Liberalism and Traditional Conservatism. They are not what we have today.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Explain to me how the ideology is actually failing here? Versus say just the Fox News presentation that it is. Hell, everybody is still saying Obama is hated but he has like a 42% job approval rating. Is it possible for us strip away the hyper partisan political rhetoric that infects our electoral process and get a clear picture on where this nations actually stands on conservatism vs liberalism? Because if the general election starts pushing back the other way, like it did in 2008, your argument here is busted. What I think we are seeing is a very well planned out and financed media campaign and a very lazy American voting populace. Neither side REALLY took these midterms too seriously. The record low also applied to Republicans. I am just banking on the gullibility of the American public to prove the same point it always does. They can be bought via the idiot box and talk radio. The Democrats will obstruct just like the Republicans did. The Republicans will appear ineffective. There will be a huge amount of money poured into the propaganda machines, and this thing will play out again like it always does. I just don't see these midterms as indicating anything historical or game changing.
    There is a distinction in ideologies.

    Its probably easier to see on a State level. The effects of Conservative economic principles based on Supply side economics can be judge by looking at a State like Texas.

    The effects of the Liberal ideology of more spending, growing the Public Sector and increased taxes can be judged by looking at a state like California.

    Both are border states with comparable populations but with two distinct economic outcomes.

    Texas's economy is growing, offering jobs for millions of people who've picked up everything they own and moved from States like California.

    California currently has the Nations highest poverty rates and the highest total debt of any State in the Nation.

    They also have unfunded pension liabilities in excess of 500 Billion dollars

    These distinctions aren't lost on the average voter. People aren't as stupid as the Democrats would like to believe and notice when something doesn't work.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, why are you so jealous of TX? BLS gives a different story, Economic results paint a different picture, Census does the same as well but you post an op ed piece because that is what you want to believe. Must be frustrating today to be a liberal in a growing conservative environment.
    I'm not jealous? I'm merely pointing out facts to you.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The Democrats Civil War.....is that like Three's Company?
    With more Jack's and less of the ladies!

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The ACA has been an albatross around the Democrats neck which lead directly to the 2010 loss of the house and the 2014 loss of the senate. Among other things of course. It is true Obama won in 2012 but he won against a candidate who had Romneycare in his background and was afraid to bring Obamacare up as the Democrats had a very good response for it if he did.

    Yes, the Democrats have been trying to get socialized medicine or government run health care through for a very long time. But what the Democrats did with the ACA is give us socialized health insurance. The fact we are still talking about this 5 years after it was passed and the majority of Americans still oppose it, that should tell the Democrats something. But they continue to ignore the people.

    Do I want those without healthcare to have it, of course I do. But I don't want the ACA as it does not accomplish that.

    With medicare JFK started the debate and started congress working on it shortly after he was inaugurated. That debate continued for 5 years before any legislation was proposed and passed. Back then the Democrats made sure they had the people on their side along with quite a lot of Republicans. In 1964 a full year before medicare was passed the polls were showing 61% for, 31% against. Now compare the two:

    Medicare votes in Congress Over 60% of the American Public was in favor of Medicare before it was introduced to congress.
    House Democrats 237 AYE 48 NAY Republicans 70 AYE 68 NAY
    Senate Democrats 57 AYE 7 NAY Republicans 13 AYE 17 NAY

    Obamacare votes in Congress Only 35% of the American Public was in favor of Obamacare and 58% against it before it was introduced to congress.
    House Democrats 220 AYE 36 NAY Republicans 0 AYE 179 NAY
    Senate Democrats 60 AYE 0 NAY Republicans 0 AYE 39 NAY

    Is it no wonder the ACA or Obamacare continues to haunt the Democrats. Right, wrong or indifferent, the Democrats own health care and as long as over half of all Americans are opposed to it, it will continue to haunt them into the far future.
    As more of the lies of the ACA come out, and as peoples new and higher rates come in the mail I doubt its popularity will rise. I think it will eventually crumble, either through SCOTUS or from a repeal of the mandate.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    So you'd exclude Labor from lobbying?

    I am speaking of publicly traded corps. I agree that union/stockholder membership should have more of a say, that would be part of the reformation I was speaking of.

    Federal unions pushing mostly Democratic candidates, but also some Republicans - The Washington Post

    Now, I don't believe that the Democratic Party is a friend of Labor. They're a mix of the New Left and Corporate Dems. The New Left doesn't focus too much on these issues, while corporate dems all too often only provide lip service to them.
    No, I would not exclude labour from lobbying, on matters related to the employment of those union members they support. I don't know about the US, but here in Canada we have labour unions lobbying on Palestine, the Middle East, Keystone pipeline, climate control, etc. and all entirely unrelated to any employee they represent.

    I promise you, if unions concentrated on the purpose for which they were created, they'd have far more support from the general public than they do now.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I disagree with that. Most voters know what they want, but if they get what is/was promised is another thing. Sure we have approximate 50% of the electorate who base their vote only on the R and the D. Well, perhaps you are right. If that is all you base your vote on, that is low information among other things.
    Most people have lives away from politics and they rely largely on perceptions. They may be low infos politically but that doesn't mean, as Gruber said, that they are stupid. They are just smart in other areas which have greater interest for them.

    Demcrats have been very good at developing perceptions, that the Republicans are racist, anti women, etc. and when its said often enough these people buy into it. As well the MSM plays along with it.

    I have a feeling these 'stupid' voters will respond if the message from their leaders is repeated often enough. They just need to be made aware of the lack of respect Obama and his advisers have for them.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I promise you, if unions concentrated on the purpose for which they were created, they'd have far more support from the general public than they do now.
    I couldn't agree more.

    Like I said, I'm looking for a reformation not abolition.
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