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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I have no problem with right to work legislation and allowing a worker to opt out of union membership if they choose to. Perhaps if unions hadn't simply become financing arms of the state and federal Democrat parties, and concentrated solely on workplace issues and worker protection, more people wouldn't opt out of union representation. As it stands, the teachers, one of the most militant of political unions in Wisconsin, saw over 30% of their members opt out of union membership. That speaks a great deal to the need for the reforms Walker and the Republicans brought to the table.
    You mean the Right To Work For Less legislation, right? Let me preface my next response by saying I am an advocate for union reformation. Why are you seemingly willing to exclude unions from the political process? You might say it is taking union dues from workers who'd vote one way and send it the other. OK, but so does corporations. Now, if you're advocating in all or in part private money being excluded from the political process I'd be a friend and ally. If you're merely saying that these guys shouldn't have collective clout and say nothing of the flip side of that coin, well, obviously we'd have a discrepancy.

    Let me provide full disclosure and divulge I've been a Teamster. Many, all-to-many times I felt that my union dues were merely going to cover the cost of protecting lazy, good for nothing, POS who should be kicked out on their ass. I showed up every day, got excellent reviews, did my job without fail and for all intents, didn't need union representation. Now my pay at the time was about 30-40% more than at a non union shop. It was that way because of union representation. So, what those 30% of teachers did essentially is say, well, we got what we got because of the union and now, well, piss off. The other end of the bargaining table loves this. Why? because it provides the context and framework to slowly, ever-so-slowly chip away at all the rights, benefits, salaries that the Union got them, which could have only be gotten through solidarity in collective bargaining.

    Again, this isn't where the main ire I have lies, if people are too stupid to realize this is nothing but a "divide and conquer" strategy, they deserve what they get. God don't save stupid.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Your counter is still a failure, for a 3rd time....because you have, as always, forgotten what the point was that you were supposed to counter:



    Respond with a comment that counters the point, stop C&P'ing NON SEQUITURS.


    Yet you couldn't notice that Oregon's exchange wasn't set up by Republicans......like you stated. Nor even how it played out. So you were wrong on that point. The usual.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Because, after last Tuesday, I have had it with conservatives curb stomping everything I stand for.

    I am confronting the issue now.
    An alternative is to take a second look at what you've been standing for. Maybe an adjustment in your philosophy can be made. It happens to most people.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    My god this is fu**ing mind numbing. Voter turnout was historically low. Not just generally low across the board, but there were relatively fewer Democrats actually voting. This isn't a case of "Americans waking up." There is no indicator that Republicans actually pulled a significant number of Dems or independents. Americans were even more asleep than usual for a mid term election. Don't let your skirts get blown too far up your backside. It was a wave election. Obama is not running in 2016. This wasn't about Democrats or Liberals. It was about Obama. Even Republicans didn't really care that much about this election. You can expect a higher percentage of Democrats to get out and vote in the general election, that is something you can count on. What that means is that Republicans are going to have to shine like diamonds for the next 24 months or they will likely see their gains dissipate. You can bet the Dems will be mobilizing in 2016.

    Stop ignoring election trends and come back to reality.

    Heya Lerxst Good seeing you return.

    But check this out and note why its History was in the Making.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1063971989

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    37% and yet almost every Republican campaigned on Repeal of BO care.....yet each won running on that Platform. While the Democrats ran away from the so called Leader's Signature legislation.....even had Manchin and some looking to dial it down on their own. Imagine that.

    Now round 2 of BO's enrollment is up and a whole lot more people have lost coverage.

    Moreover now with a BO Bot Architect and the admitting that BO and Team tricked the CBO.....intentionally. Tricked the American People, and Lied to the SCOTUS. Just how do you think BO's Team will be looked upon in the Highest Court in the Land?
    Funny. Most of the attack ads I've seen were regarding ISIS and EBOLA. But I will agree with you on one thing. Democratic senators ran away like the b**ches they are.

    Hey that was a winning strategy

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yet you couldn't notice that Oregon's exchange wasn't set up by Republicans......like you stated. Nor even how it played out. So you were wrong on that point. The usual.
    Why do you insist on showing THAT YOU CANNOT READ? I never said "Oregon's exchange was not setup by Republicans", never once did I say anything like that, at all.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Funny. Most of the attack ads I've seen were regarding ISIS and EBOLA. But I will agree with you on one thing. Democratic senators ran away like the b**ches they are.

    Hey that was a winning strategy
    I didn't notice his post earlier but I saw the same thing you did (in NH anyway). I can't even remember an ad Scott Brown ran about the ACA. I remember one ad by a group pointing out that Jeanne Shaheen cast the deciding vote on it but that's it. Shaheen won (barely) but I also don't remember her mentioning the ACA ever.

    Except for her (and a few gimmes, like Markey in MA), most of the Dem Senators were hiding in a closet somewhere on the issue.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Funny. Most of the attack ads I've seen were regarding ISIS and EBOLA. But I will agree with you on one thing. Democratic senators ran away like the b**ches they are.

    Hey that was a winning strategy
    Wasn't that also known as "The Wisconsin Strategy"?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Lerxst Good seeing you return.

    But check this out and note why its History was in the Making.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1063971989
    I just saw that. I'm not all that impressed at this point. Only because I know how easily American voters are swayed. I simply do not see it lasting over the next 24 months. When the Republicans fail to get it done, and they will, the pendulum will swing left again. Just like it always does. Nothing has actually changed with regard to the real governance of this country.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I just saw that. I'm not all that impressed at this point. Only because I know how easily American voters are swayed. I simply do not see it lasting over the next 24 months. When the Republicans fail to get it done, and they will, the pendulum will swing left again. Just like it always does. Nothing has actually changed with regard to the real governance of this country.

    Here is where a lot of History took place .....plus the GOP polls shows how the number is still more impressive now than before.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...islatures.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...ric-sweep.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/southw...nce-1950s.html

    The Republicans even took all 3 branches in Nevada. Harry Reid is the only Democrat that won an election there.

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