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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I didn't watch, but I suspect liberals are more concerned about the political damage this guys admission will do than they are about the fact that there was widespread deceit employed to get this bill through congress. The are probably more pissed that this guy said what he said rather than being pissed about the what took place.
    Oh yes. That's why I mentioned their obvious panic about what this clown's admission will do. They don't seem to mind knowing that Obama et al think they're stupid. They are in a panic about how this will compromise the ACA. And I agree with them. This is seriously damaging.

    Seriously though, I'll bet Obama is ready to throttle this guy. This is the last thing he needed. Comments like this are better left unsaid in public and contained to the room where the arrogance permeates the air. They can sit around and giggle at the stupid voters. $50 says this guy isn't hired by the Obama administration again anytime soon.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Even tho they agree with it when its named something else which pretty much plays into my opinion, the as a population we are pretty dumb...


    No way! This happened?
    I think for the longest time a lot of people never knew the ACA was Obamacare and it is true some would say they support one and oppose the other. One of the problems when it comes to discussing the ACA/Obamacare is that either side will never listen to what the other side has to say. It seems to be just talking points with no real substance.

    As for the senators, yes it really happened. One tends to forget how hot an issue it was and how most Americans especially in the states I listed, the people of those states were very vocal opponents. Opposition ranged from 55-68% against when the ACA in those states when it passed by the senate back in 2009. Here is a recap:

    AK Begich Republican Sullivan was officially declared the winner this morning.
    AR Lincoln & Pryor Democrat Lincoln lost in 2010 and Pryor lost in 2014
    CO Bennett & Udall Bennett survived in 2010 by 0.8 of a percent, Udall lost in 2014
    IN Bayh Democrat Evan Bayh retired in 2010 instead of facing re-election
    LA Landrieu In runoff in December at which time she will be gone
    MO McCaskill she survived in 2012 only because the Republicans ran a nut in the form of Aiken. She had a 62% disapproval rating, Aiken had a 71% disapproval rating. With anyone but Aiken running against her, she would have been long gone, but such is life in politics.
    MT Tester survived won re-election in 2012, presidential year. Baucus retired instead of facing re-election 2014
    NE Nelson retired in 2012 instead of facing re-election
    NC Hagan Defeated by Republican Tillis in 2014
    SD Johnson retired in 2014 instead of facing re-election
    VA Warner won re-election in 2014 by the skin of his teeth.
    WV Goodwin and Rockefeller Goodwin retired in 2010 and Rockefeller retired in 2014 instead of facing re-election

    When on a very hot issue the elected officials who who totally ignore the wishes of the people who elected them in order to vote their political parties agenda instead of the wishes of the people will usually pay the price. This is true regardless of the issue or the political party pushing its agenda on the people. Every once in a long while the people bite back.


    One other thing from the bins of history, the national polls on the ACA when the senate passed it back in 2009 thanks to RCP:


    CNN/Opinion Research 12/2-12/3 36% for 61% Against/Oppose +25
    Rasmussen Reports 11/29 - 11/29 41% for 53% Against/Oppose +12
    Gallup 11/20-11/22 44% for 49% Against/Oppose +5
    Ipsos/McClatchy 11/19 - 11/22 34% for 46% Against/Oppose +12
    Rasmussen Reports 11/21 - 11/22 38% for 56% Against/Oppose +18
    FOX News 11/17 - 11/18 35% for 51% Against/Oppose +16
    PPP (D) 11/13 - 11/15 40% for 52% Against/Oppose +12
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I went over the results and the exit polling. This stood out:

    44% of voters view the Democratic Party favorably, 53% unfavorably
    40% of voters view the Republican Party favorably, 55% unfavorably

    So this election was unique in that the political party with the lower favorable and higher unfavorable ratings/views of the voter won. Perhaps that happened for two reasons, 1. Voters were angrier at President Obama than the Republicans in congress. 2. There was no choice C for the voters to take their wrath out on both the Republicans and Democrats. I believe if there was a viable third choice, a choice C, C would have won instead of the Republicans.
    You missed #3 which is the most obvious one. Voters don't like the way things are going so they punished the party in power. They would have punished whichever party was in power regardless of who they dislike more. Like I said, it happens over and over.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is true there are a lot of provisions in the ACA that the majority of Americans like, no doubt about it. But as long as the majority of Americans are opposed to the ACA it will hang around the Democrats necks like an albatross. Good, bad or indifferent the Democrats own health care.

    FYI: Here is a list of Democratic senators in states where at least 55% of the citizens of those states, a few in the low 60% range opposed Obamacare when it was first passed in the senate back in 2009. These Democratic senators ignored the wishes of the people who elected them and sent them to Washington to represent them, which they did not. A few survived, but most are gone or shortly will be. Sometimes when senators tell the voters to stick it where the sun don’t shine, they bite back.

    AK Begich – is losing and when the results are final, he will be gone
    AR Lincoln & Pryor – Both gone, defeated in the next election after the ACA was passed
    CO Bennett & Udall – Bennett survived, Udall is gone
    IN Bayh – He retired without seeking re-election
    LA Landrieu – In runoff in December at which time she will be gone
    MO McCaskill – she survived only because the Republicans ran a nut in the form of Aiken. She had a 62% disapproval rating, Aiken had a 71% disapproval rating. With anyone but Aiken running against her, she would have been long gone, but such is life in politics.
    MT Tester survived, Baucus retired instead of facing re-election
    NE Nelson – retired instead of facing re-election
    NC Hagan – Defeated by Tillis
    SD Johnson – retired instead of facing re-election
    VA Warner – looks like he will survive by the skin of his teeth.
    WV Byrd and Rockefeller – Both retired instead of seeking re-election

    Total 12 defeated or retired instead of facing the wrath of the people, 4 survived the odds.

    Mornin Pero. Btw, Begich lost Alaska Last night.....its Official. That's 8 Senate seats won.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, stupid as Texans? Now that is funny. Just another example of jealousy of the left who really has no clue as to what is going on in TX as they read the headlines and ignore the facts. I always thought you were smarter than this. As usual however I am always disappointed when I give a liberal too much credit. Guess this is why millions are moving to TX including Fortune 500 Companies so they can tap into the low education level of the citizens??
    You do realize you are speaking to a Native Texan, don't you? Houston, in fact. We could be neighbors. Although, it appears I don't share that Texas braggadocio, "everything is bigger and better in Texas," gene with you. It surprises me none that the corporate moguls move to Texas. It's a lot closer than China.

    My point, "Pardner," is that just two years ago, Wisconsin ranked 10th in the nation as far education went. They have since fell to 15th. I firmly believe that Walker's war on education has something to do with this. I apologize for calling Texas kids stupid. I have nieces, nephews and grandchildren that I love very much and I shouldn't call them stupid. But that does not change the statistic that Texas ranks 34th in the country, as far as education goes.

    Talk about ignoring the facts. <smh> You deserve to be disappointed. Glad I could help.




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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Pero. Btw, Begich lost Alaska Last night.....its Official. That's 8 Senate seats won.
    Is that right MMC? I didn't hear about it on the news. I heard they were still counting votes?
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    It wouldn't know, I do not know him and his likes, clearly you have an inside track, more over he does not have me, but obviously someone does have you.

    Did it? How is it possible then that you are still missing the message? Congress has its lowest approval rating in history and people like you keep more of them there and I mean on both sides of the isle. Perfect examples of partisan hacks and ideologues who can not see the forest because of the trees.

    You don't know Jack **** about me or where on or what side I sit.

    To you? Probably not...
    Speaking of not knowing "jack ****" anyone that believe National Polls on Congress are relevant is technically civics challenged as Congressional Elections are local not national. I don't give a damn about your Representative and vice versa yet that doesn't prevent people from quoting national polls.

    As for the rest of your post, you make me laugh

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    You do realize you are speaking to a Native Texan, don't you? Houston, in fact. We could be neighbors. Although, it appears I don't share that Texas braggadocio, "everything is bigger and better in Texas," gene with you. It surprises me none that the corporate moguls move to Texas. It's a lot closer than China.

    My point, "Pardner," is that just two years ago, Wisconsin ranked 10th in the nation as far education went. They have since fell to 15th. I firmly believe that Walker's war on education has something to do with this. I apologize for calling Texas kids stupid. I have nieces, nephews and grandchildren that I love very much and I shouldn't call them stupid. But that does not change the statistic that Texas ranks 34th in the country, as far as education goes.

    Talk about ignoring the facts. <smh> You deserve to be disappointed. Glad I could help.




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    Point is, "pardner" I am not a native TX but actually lived most of my life in the Midwest. Aside from losing my wife to cancer it was the best move I ever made. I love living in TX and don't seem to have the same problem with education as you do. My son graduated from High school and a Texas college and is doing quite well in his own business. Don't really care about rankings when it comes to TX but do care about illegals crossing the border and skewing the numbers.

    You seem to believe that CEO's aren't moving to TX? Really? based upon what? Those 52 Fortune 500 Companies have CEO's that live in TX so what I hear from you is hot air and jealousy. You may have lived in TX but you are prevented from seeing the forest because of the trees. That normally happens when you have big govt. liberals believing polls and believing that the Federal Govt. has the answers. TX leads the nation or is a leader in the nation on the numbers that matter, jobs being created, population growth, and cost of living. Those issues solve most of the other problems you claim Texans have.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is that right MMC? I didn't hear about it on the news. I heard they were still counting votes?
    Yep, done counting the Absentee Ballots and made the call around 4am. I was out in Indiana at the time.


    Alaska win gives GOP another US Senate seat.....

    U.S. Sen. Mark Begich couldn't pull off another election surprise as voter disapproval of President Barack Obama helped push him and other Democrats out of office.

    Republican Dan Sullivan, a Marine Corps reservist and assistant secretary of state under President George W. Bush, defeated the first-term incumbent as part of a wave in which Republicans picked up eight seats and regained control of the Senate. Another Senate race is yet to be decided in Louisiana. The Alaska race was too close to call on Election Night last week, with Sullivan up by about 8,100 votes, but it became evident Tuesday when the state began counting about 20,000 of absentee and questioned ballots that Begich could not overcome Sullivan.

    In another close race, incumbent candidate Bill Walker led incumbent Republican Alaska Gov. Sean Parnell by about 4,000 votes with more to be counted starting Friday. Although he hasn't been declared the winner, Walker planned to announce a transition team Wednesday.....snip~

    https://news.yahoo.com/alaska-win-gi...-election.html

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    How many never had it before,
    how many lost it because of O'care and have it now,
    how many are now in Medicaid but counted as enrolees,
    how many are paying for coverage they don't want or need in order to pay for someone else's coverage they don't want or need,
    how many are in Federal exchanges that could very likely be declared unconstitutional next year?

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