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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not sure how you got any criticism of Walker from what I posted. He's a hero to those of us who want government to rein in spending and public sector unions.
    Was just a passing comment... I'm conflicted with Walker. I think he went too far with that Union thing, but I can appreciate his fiscal discipline.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Was just a passing comment... I'm conflicted with Walker. I think he went too far with that Union thing, but I can appreciate his fiscal discipline.
    As I understand it, the teaching union pension plan had the state taxpayer paying upwards of five times what a teacher was paying to fund that teacher's pension. It needed a strong arm and an axe to get that under control - Walker provided it.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The vast majority of Americans like the key provisions in the ACA..... But once its called Obamacare instead of the ACA they disagree with it...
    Has zero to do with what we're discussing.

    You & Howard Dean are the only people I've seen so far defending Gruber. This is going to hurt the ACA badly, so giggle your brains out, but realize what this guy did.

    Not even the left wing media is reacting to this the way you are.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Has zero to do with what we're discussing.

    You & Howard Dean are the only people I've seen so far defending Gruber. This is going to hurt the ACA badly, so giggle your brains out, but realize what this guy did.

    Not even the left wing media is reacting to this the way you are.
    An admission by an architect of a massive piece of legislation that lies were knowingly told to the American people just to get it passed, should outrage EVERYONE. But it doesn't outrage liberals because their agenda is more important than the truth.

    What Gruber did was engage in a moment of honesty. He let the truth behind liberal tactics and how liberals view the public peek out. Deceit is simply a means. And to the liberal, then ends justify the means so anything goes.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Didnt know there was a direct vote on the ACA...
    But none the less about the "stupid part". Most people when told about the ACA's provisions they agree with them, but once you put say do you like "Obamacare" they say no... So who is stupid?
    You are getting your ass handed to you. Be mature and just admit that you were lied to as well and move on. apologies show maturity.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Despite Walker. I'm trying to think what Walker has done for me. I'm coming up blank. I'm doing fine but our state is slipping fast. Our poor kids will be as stupid as the kids in Texas if this keeps up.
    LOL, stupid as Texans? Now that is funny. Just another example of jealousy of the left who really has no clue as to what is going on in TX as they read the headlines and ignore the facts. I always thought you were smarter than this. As usual however I am always disappointed when I give a liberal too much credit. Guess this is why millions are moving to TX including Fortune 500 Companies so they can tap into the low education level of the citizens??

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    An admission by an architect of a massive piece of legislation that lies were knowingly told to the American people just to get it passed, should outrage EVERYONE. But it doesn't outrage liberals because their agenda is more important than the truth.

    What Gruber did was engage in a moment of honesty. He let the truth behind liberal tactics and how liberals view the public peek out. Deceit is simply a means. And to the liberal, then ends justify the means so anything goes.
    I watched Morning Joe, and except for the screamer Howard Dean, even the Liberals on the panel simply could not reconcile this fool's words. They are (rightfully so) in a panic about what this moron's admission will do to the SCOTUS ruling that's coming. The judges do read the papers and they will see this. I'll bet Obama is ready to wring this guy's neck.

    All we wanted to do was get the law passed, so we intentionally misled, withheld information, lied, and counted on the "stupidity" of the American voters? We knew what was going to happen if the states didn't set up their own exchanges but we intentionally didn't tell anyone that? We knew that there was no way you could "keep your doctor if you like your doctor" but we said it anyway because we knew the American voters were too stupid to challenge us?

    Even Mika, who is normally a cackling Liberal, had to admit this is really really bad for everyone.

    And a few of them pointed out that this WILL be brought up in the debates in 2016, whether it's Hillary or another candidate. The GOP candidate will hammer this over and over and over again.

    No normal American likes to know that the President and his band of arrogant law creators think they're so stupid.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Another example of American stupidity. Congress has an 11% approval yet 96% of the incumbents were re-elected.

    How did that definition of "insanity," go? Maybe we are not stupid after all. Just insane.
    Just goes to show that national polls are irrelevant when it comes to local races which is what Congressional elections are.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I watched Morning Joe, and except for the screamer Howard Dean, even the Liberals on the panel simply could not reconcile this fool's words. They are (rightfully so) in a panic about what this moron's admission will do to the SCOTUS ruling that's coming. The judges do read the papers and they will see this. I'll bet Obama is ready to wring this guy's neck.

    All we wanted to do was get the law passed, so we intentionally misled, withheld information, lied, and counted on the "stupidity" of the American voters? We knew what was going to happen if the states didn't set up their own exchanges but we intentionally didn't tell anyone that? We knew that there was no way you could "keep your doctor if you like your doctor" but we said it anyway because we knew the American voters were too stupid to challenge us?

    Even Mika, who is normally a cackling Liberal, had to admit this is really really bad for everyone.

    And a few of them pointed out that this WILL be brought up in the debates in 2016, whether it's Hillary or another candidate. The GOP candidate will hammer this over and over and over again.

    No normal American likes to know that the President and his band of arrogant law creators think they're so stupid.
    I didn't watch, but I suspect liberals are more concerned about the political damage this guys admission will do than they are about the fact that there was widespread deceit employed to get this bill through congress. The are probably more pissed that this guy said what he said rather than being pissed about the what took place.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I understand it, the teaching union pension plan had the state taxpayer paying upwards of five times what a teacher was paying to fund that teacher's pension. It needed a strong arm and an axe to get that under control - Walker provided it.
    That wasn't the part that really bugged me, though, I mean, c'mon numbers can be finagled to make it look like whatever they want it to. As the saying goes "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics..."

    It was the bargaining restrictions and the mishegoss which was pure union busting which stuck in my craw...
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