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Stupidity of the American Voter?

TheDemSocialist said:
Of course its the same: List of U.S. presidential campaign slogans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Cool.


Ahh he is a socialist!!! Ahhh!!!


Ehh not really. But ok.



Of course, in your opinion.
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Your alias says it all, results don't matter because it is all about perception and feelings. I grew up a Democrat, was trained as a Democrat but that party left me. Sometimes the people are just too blind to see what the party has become but you as a socialists simply don't understand your ideology at all including the results that actually hurt incentive and hurt people.
 
Conservative said:
Your alias says it all, results don't matter because it is all about perception and feelings.
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No results do matter.

I grew up a Democrat, was trained as a Democrat but that party left me.
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Cool.

Sometimes the people are just too blind to see what the party has become but you as a socialists simply don't understand your ideology at all including the results that actually hurt incentive and hurt people.
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:lamo So are Democrats socialists?
 
Conservative said:
Took a vote away from a more qualified candidate knowing that yours didn't have a snowballs chance in hell to win. Now rather that solve a problem from the inside out you prefer to bitch about results from the outside looking in
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No Republican president in the last half century has decreased spending or the size of government, and under Bush welfare spending doubled. Voting for another Republican, ESPECIALLY someone like Mitt Romney, would in no way solve Americas problem of government and spending. Yet conservatives keep voting for them over and over. Who's the stupid voters?
 
Perotista said:
I expect as much, but the one thing one can't do is take an election for granted. Has anyone seen any polls on Louisiana since election night? I keep looking but find none. As Yogi Berra once said, "It ain't over until it's over."
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56% of the primary vote went to Republicans. That's very telling.
 
So choosing one bit of intelligence over another on WMD's and going off that is "lying" about that intelligence on WMDS to many on the left, yet purposefully obfuscating matters in legislation to misrepresent a tax as something other than a tax for the sake of getting the law passed is not "lying" about that legislation's taxes.
 
Zyphlin said:
So choosing one bit of intelligence over another on WMD's and going off that is "lying" about that intelligence on WMDS to many on the left, yet purposefully obfuscating matters in legislation to misrepresent a tax as something other than a tax for the sake of getting the law passed is not "lying" about that legislations taxes.
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You don't see the fundamental differences in the decisions?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea I am openly a socialist. So what?
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Then you are in the wrong country because this country wasn't created on socialist values. You are the problem certainly not part of the solution and yes it is you that represents many in today's Democrat Party where feel good rhetoric trumps personal responsibility and consequences for poor choices.
 
apdst said:
56% of the primary vote went to Republicans. That's very telling.
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that it is, but do not let that go to your head. Campaign as hard as ever, never take an election for granted.
 
Conservative said:
Then you are in the wrong country because this country wasn't created on socialist values.
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Can you show me where in the constitution where it says anything about establishing a capitalist economic system?

You are the problem certainly not part of the solution
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:yawn::yawn::yawn:

and yes it is you that represents many in today's Democrat Party where feel good rhetoric trumps personal responsibility and consequences for poor choices.
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:doh
Coming from the party of "Obama is a socialist!", "Obama is a Muslim", "Obama is from Kenya", "Obamacare is socialized medicine", "Death panels!".
 
Conservative said:
Your alias says it all, results don't matter because it is all about perception and feelings. I grew up a Democrat, was trained as a Democrat but that party left me. Sometimes the people are just too blind to see what the party has become but you as a socialists simply don't understand your ideology at all including the results that actually hurt incentive and hurt people.
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How ironic. I grew up a Republican. And the party left me. It's as if both party's did a 180.

And I agree totally, with all due respect to our colleague TheDemSocialist, that socialism is not the way to go. On the surface, it is a noble concept. However, the nature of mankind is to take advantage thus rendering all-out socialism a futile endeavor spawning laziness and counter-production.

I take the approach that, if an able bodied person is capable of working, but choose not to, then they don't eat. But I would rather see my tax dollars go to the downtrodden, the sick, the veteran, the elderly, education and infrastructure before sending it overseas in foreign aid and supporting unnecessary wars to profit the elitist corporate welfare rats, as today's republican's seem to prefer. Socialism has been tried, and has failed, too many time's in mankind's history, to even consider it being a successful ideology. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

This was the Republican Party I used to support:

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative." Republican Party Platforms: Republican Party Platform of 1956

The Republican Party no longer stands for these ideals. Therefore, I no longer stand with the Republican Party.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Can you show me where in the constitution where it says anything about establishing a capitalist economic system?


:yawn::yawn::yawn:


:doh
Coming from the party of "Obama is a socialist!", "Obama is a Muslim", "Obama is from Kenya", "Obamacare is socialized medicine", "Death panels!".
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Since when did you care about the Constitution which says provide for the common defense and PROMOTE Domestic Welfare. Our economic system outperforms the rest of the world by a long ways and yet people like you would like to turn us into a socialist economy. Name for me one that is as successful as ours for the individuals or even the whole?
 
Conservative said:
Since when did you care about the Constitution
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Since as long as I can remember.

which says provide for the common defense and PROMOTE Domestic Welfare.
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Cool! It sure does say that!

Our economic system outperforms the rest of the world by a long ways and yet people like you would like to turn us into a socialist economy.
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You betcha. I think it can be done more efficiently, more humanely, benefit more people of not just this country but the world, and give people more control of their lives.

Name for me one that is as successful as ours for the individuals or even the whole?
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Depends on your definition and criteria in your definition of "successful".
 
Kushinator said:
You don't see the fundamental differences in the decisions?
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I do see some, beyond the obvious partisan one.

But generally I see two situations where those in power tried to massage reality to better support the action they felt was best for the country in an effort to convince people to go for it.

And I do find it funny that both sides seemed to flip their disdain/understanding of such a thing singularly seemingly due to ideological identification, which I think is the driving reason why both sides are able to rationalize and excuse it for their side but can't possibly even begin to comprehend or legitimize the rationalizations and excuses the other side gave.

My honest take on both...they're being politicians, and part of politicians is massaging information in a way that suits your purposes. Unlike some dumbasses in the public (I won't skirt around it like some on this thread have been by asking rhetorical questions) I don't buy into the notion that someone or some administration is going to be a change from politicas as usual. Believing a politician telling you he's not going to act like a politician is ridiculously dumb. Now I hold the lack of integrity and the typical political games against Obama more so than others, because more so than any other presidential race he made transpranecy and a change away from politics as usual one of the central themes of his campaign...but it's still not something that riles me up greatly.

I just find it funny how quickly and fluidly it changes, for both sides, and how quickly they are to grasp onto/ignore rationalizations of these type of things.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Can you show me where in the constitution where it says anything about establishing a capitalist economic system?
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The Declaration, The Constitution and the American nation was built upon a single word. That word was liberty. You establish a free society and a free market emerges. To create a socialist society, you have to destroy the concept of liberty. Socialists lack the ability or popular support to do this via a frontal assault, so they attack liberty by attacking the free market. Chain the market and you chain the individual. Socialism is about state power. The Constitution was about limiting state power. The Constitution doesn't explicitly establish a free market nor explicitly reject socialism. It does both implicitly. Socialism is impossible for a federal government confined to the powers enumerated in the Constitution.
 
Captain America said:
How ironic. I grew up a Republican. And the party left me. It's as if both party's did a 180.

And I agree totally, with all due respect to our colleague TheDemSocialist, that socialism is not the way to go. On the surface, it is a noble concept. However, the nature of mankind is to take advantage thus rendering all-out socialism a futile endeavor spawning laziness and counter-production.

I take the approach that, if an able bodied person is capable of working, but choose not to, then they don't eat. But I would rather see my tax dollars go to the downtrodden, the sick, the veteran, the elderly, education and infrastructure before sending it overseas in foreign aid and supporting unnecessary wars to profit the elitist corporate welfare rats, as today's republican's seem to prefer. Socialism has been tried, and has failed, too many time's in mankind's history, to even consider it being a successful ideology. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

This was the Republican Party I used to support:

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative." Republican Party Platforms: Republican Party Platform of 1956

The Republican Party no longer stands for these ideals. Therefore, I no longer stand with the Republican Party.
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Really? you think today's Democrat Party does? Personal responsibility continues to be a Republican ideal and the state of TX is a perfect example of that. Insurance is available if you want to purchase it, many choose not to and the liberals want to make it mandatory. I say go after the people and their assets if they fail to pay their bills, don't subsidize them.

I want my tax dollars to go to many of the causes you named however there is a difference between federal responsibility and state. It is the state that is responsible for the citizens and pays the cost of those downtrodden not the federal taxpayers. It is the state that has the authority to set minimum wages so why do we need the Federal govt. to do it

Our founders understood it and created a limited central govt. that has grown into the monstrosity we have now all because politicians want and crave power. TX has a part time legislature just like our Founders created. It works well here regardless of the stats posted for if it didn't millions of Americans wouldn't have moved here. There is a lot of opportunity here and the freedom to spend your money the way you want to spend it, not the way a bureaucrat tells you to spend it.

I am a conservative, not a Republican, and there are many things that I don't like about today's Republican Party either but I am closer to their ideology than today's Democrat party
 
TheDemSocialist said:
It absolutely has a lot to do about what we are discussing. It shows that as a population we are pretty goddamn stupid.
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Again, speak for yourself. If you were a supporter of the ACA, you are, in fact, one of the voters that Gruber called "stupid". I was against the ACA. I still am. I'm not one of the stupid ones who needed to be duped.

The people liking some of the key provisions of the ACA isn't relevant to the architect of said law admitting to these malfeasance.
 
Perotista said:
I expect as much, but the one thing one can't do is take an election for granted. Has anyone seen any polls on Louisiana since election night? I keep looking but find none. As Yogi Berra once said, "It ain't over until it's over."
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I hear the Demos may cut a deal for the XL to try and save her seat. The Repubs don't need to do it.....I doubt she can get re-elected. Its BO care that kills her too.
 
Zyphlin said:
So choosing one bit of intelligence over another on WMD's and going off that is "lying" about that intelligence on WMDS to many on the left, yet purposefully obfuscating matters in legislation to misrepresent a tax as something other than a tax for the sake of getting the law passed is not "lying" about that legislation's taxes.
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Apparently so.
 
tres borrachos said:
Again, speak for yourself. If you were a supporter of the ACA, you are, in fact, one of the voters that Gruber called "stupid". I was against the ACA. I still am. I'm not one of the stupid ones who needed to be duped.

The people liking some of the key provisions of the ACA isn't relevant to the architect of said law admitting to these malfeasance.
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Megyn is now calling it another scandal for BO and Team. After the second video popped up.


Gruber video #2: No, really, American voters are stupid; Update: Third video?.....

Call this Gruber 2: Stupid and Stupider. Jonathan Gruber attempted to escape scrutiny for his October 2013 declaration that Americans are “stupid” and that ObamaCare was designed to exploit that and hide its true nature by saying that he regretted his “off the cuff” comments. “I basically spoke inappropriately,” he told Ronan Farrow, “and I regret having made those comments.”

Last night, though, a second video emerged from the same time period in which Gruber explained that the ACA passed “because the American people are too stupid” to understand the law. Megyn Kelly wondered last night how this squared with Gruber’s mea culpa on that “little-watched MSNBC show”:

The tape, played on Fox News’ “The Kelley File,” showed Gruber speaking at an October 2013 event at Washington University in St. Louis. Referring to the so-called “Cadillac tax” on high-end health plans, he said: “They proposed it and that passed, because the American people are too stupid to understand the difference.” .....snip~

Gruber video #2: No, really, American voters are stupid; Update: Third video? « Hot Air
 
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