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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

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    Again we are talking about who pays for it, the Federal or state taxpayers? Under ACA the Federal Tax dollars are controlled by a bureaucrat in DC whereas with state programs the state govt. closer to the people control the dollars. You have yet to explain why this is a federal program and why ACA? Why not Romneycare if the state electorate supports it?
    You specifically said:

    "You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do"

    If the topic is THE UNINSURED, you do not fully pay for their care, fed dollars are contributed.

    If we leave it up to states, they will have high levels of uninsured children.....like in Texas.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

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    "We" is the state and local governments along with the individual. This isn't a Federal problem even though everything is a federal problem in the liberal world
    No, we are the citizens of the community, the city, the state and the country. And Texas above all shows us how bad a state can be. Want to go over their rankings again?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    It is one of those things. Our government has left us behind for the money given by corporate interest, and greed. Their only concern is re election. We seriously need to get corporate money out of the election process and end their influence on what the American people want. Our history is based on freedom, not corporate greed.

    All I can say is people outside the US do not really understand the American culture or were we come from. They don't understand why we hold our freedom so dear, built on the blood of patriots, not government.

    I am a little ****ed up, but this does not change why we love our freedoms and those who would sell it to the highest bidder need to be shot as traitors.
    The Democrats have had a monopoly on organized funding for Politicians for decades. Thats unfortunately part of our History. .

    Now, the Unions have some competition, and everyone and their brother is screaming to get money out of politics.

    It was never a issue before Citizens United, even though it led to a massive amount of corruption and chronyism

    Corporations have a responsibility to their share holders, to their employees and to their consumers.

    Its not " corporate greed " thats the problem. " Corporate Greed " is just a politicized narrate. A talking point.

    The problem is the idea that the Government is in any context responsible for protecting us from that " greed ".

    Giving the Government the power to first define " greed " arbitrarily and then to act on that definition is foolish beyond comprehension.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then states should step up and handle it. If they don't, as we've seen, the federal government will. And precedence has been set on that.
    That isn't the Federal Government's role and the more you allow the Federal Govt. to do the more dependent you get on the Federal Govt

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, we are the citizens of the community, the city, the state and the country. And Texas above all shows us how bad a state can be. Want to go over their rankings again?

    Texas leads the Nation in Jobs Created across ALL income levels. Even HIGH paying jobs.

    We're the destination for MILLIONS of Blue Plague State refugees from Liberal hell holes like California.

    Which incidentally has the Nations HIGHEST poverty rates.

    We're the destination for HUNDREDS of Bussinesses who've picked up their entire operation and moved out of States like California.

    Thank god for Texas !!

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, we are the citizens of the community, the city, the state and the country. And Texas above all shows us how bad a state can be. Want to go over their rankings again?
    Yep, that is why millions of people are moving to TX so they don't get health insurance, get paid a low wage, and breathe polluted air. That is of course why I moved here. Over half the uninsured in TX are eligible for state programs now but haven't signed up. Guess liberals would assign a nanny to them

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Look, if you cannot sell your state on a program that is effective and efficient, how do you expect the Federal Govt. to do it? Further state expenses are different and a one size fits all doesn't work and always costs more than intended. Let the states and local government's who are responsible to the people do what the people wants. As I have stated healthcare is a personal responsibility not a Federal Govt. Responsibility. You don't pay for my states uninsured nor I pay for yours. That is the way it should be

    I don't. You're no more likely to sell your state on a decent program than the voters of the United States were to sell the entire country on one. Or your county. Or your town. You might be able to do it at your household level. Just because you make the government smaller doesn't make the electorate smarter. People pretend like states are so much better than a federal government but there's no reason to think that. Government suffers the same problems regardless of size and scope. You're arguing that health care is a personal responsibility, which I entirely agree with you on, then you're pushing it off of the individual and onto the state? Since when did it become a state's problem, any more than it's the federal government's problem? You're just shifting the burden to a smaller venue, you're not placing it where we both agree it belongs.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You specifically said:

    "You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do"

    If the topic is THE UNINSURED, you do not fully pay for their care, fed dollars are contributed.

    If we leave it up to states, they will have high levels of uninsured children.....like in Texas.

    "Texas has the highest rate of uninsured in the nation. ... And there are more uninsured children in Texas than in any other state."
    — Kathleen Sebelius on Sunday, December 15th, 2013 in an opinion column

    Texas has highest uninsured rate and most uninsured children in country | PolitiFact Texas
    Well then assign a nanny to those people because most are eligible for state programs in place now thus no need for Obamacare

    Interesting how millions of people are moving to TX, how TX is among the leaders in creating jobs, has a very low cost of living, high quality of life. Wonder what these people see that you don't?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Democrats have had a monopoly on organized funding for Politicians for decades. Thats unfortunately part of our History. .

    Now, the Unions have some competition, and everyone and their brother is screaming to get money out of politics.

    It was never a issue before Citizens United, even though it led to a massive amount of corruption and chronyism

    Corporations have a responsibility to their share holders, to their employees and to their consumers.

    Its not " corporate greed " thats the problem. " Corporate Greed " is just a politicized narrate. A talking point.

    The problem is the idea that the Government is in any context responsible for protecting us from that " greed ".

    Giving the Government the power to first define " greed " arbitrarily and then to act on that definition is foolish beyond comprehension.
    I disagree. It is not just a narrative etc. It is a fact. Our government is bought and paid for. **** that. We need to get that out of our political system. Worse thing they ever did was give corporations personhood. Absolute garbage.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't. You're no more likely to sell your state on a decent program than the voters of the United States were to sell the entire country on one. Or your county. Or your town. You might be able to do it at your household level. Just because you make the government smaller doesn't make the electorate smarter. People pretend like states are so much better than a federal government but there's no reason to think that. Government suffers the same problems regardless of size and scope. You're arguing that health care is a personal responsibility, which I entirely agree with you on, then you're pushing it off of the individual and onto the state? Since when did it become a state's problem, any more than it's the federal government's problem? You're just shifting the burden to a smaller venue, you're not placing it where we both agree it belongs.
    Then that is a local problem that people like you want to pawn off on the Federal Govt. Sorry but that isn't reality nor the country our Founders created

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