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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, you miss the point, healthcare is a personal responsibility issue that is a state problem not a federal one. You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do. Just like with the minimum wage, liberals/progressives social engineer because it makes them feel good. States have the right to raise the minimum wage and many have so why is this a federal issue? The one size fits all Federal Programs are always failures but the rhetoric sounds good.
    I have a BC/BS plan. I pretty much subsidize people everywhere (well, the pool does. It isn't like I feel like I am personally subsidizing every person who is insured with them)

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I live here and sometimes I don't even understand it.
    It is one of those things. Our government has left us behind for the money given by corporate interest, and greed. Their only concern is re election. We seriously need to get corporate money out of the election process and end their influence on what the American people want. Our history is based on freedom, not corporate greed.

    All I can say is people outside the US do not really understand the American culture or were we come from. They don't understand why we hold our freedom so dear, built on the blood of patriots, not government.

    I am a little ****ed up, but this does not change why we love our freedoms and those who would sell it to the highest bidder need to be shot as traitors.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Fascinating. But not what we were discussing. You missed this in the article I was nice enough to post for you:

    There are currently 7.1 million Americans enrolled in private health plans through the new state-based marketplaces, and HHS expects about 83 percent of those people to re-enroll when open enrollment begins this Saturday. The rest of the 9.1 million enrollees would be new customers.

    and then this:

    However, she pointed out that should enrollment reach 9.9 million, that would be a 28 percent increase in the marketplace.

    Now stop boring me with your posts begging for me to educate you.
    What I was discussing, was that enrollment has increased and is projected to continue to increase....countering MMC's claim that it is not.

    You are context free as per usual.

    Now is when you make some infantile comment about how gay I am.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Right up until you have states that say screw it, we're not doing it. While the way we're doing it now simply isn't working, I don't think that turning it over to the states is a panacea either. Who cares who collects and distributes your taxes, the money is still going away?
    Look, if you cannot sell your state on a program that is effective and efficient, how do you expect the Federal Govt. to do it? Further state expenses are different and a one size fits all doesn't work and always costs more than intended. Let the states and local government's who are responsible to the people do what the people wants. As I have stated healthcare is a personal responsibility not a Federal Govt. Responsibility. You don't pay for my states uninsured nor I pay for yours. That is the way it should be

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    What I was discussing, was that enrollment has increased and is projected to continue to increase....countering MMC's claim that it is not.

    You are context free as per usual.

    Now is when you make some infantile comment about how gay I am.
    Good grief. Your troll posts are boring.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The government doesn't pay out for medicaid either, which is a huge problem and why a lot of doctors are simply refusing to take medicare and medicaid patients. The government doesn't pay. Why should we think they're going to pay for Obamacare either?
    Wrong, the Federal Govt. does pay for Medicare and Medicaid but indeed doctors are opting out but that doesn't change the fact that those are the only two programs where our Federal Dollars go

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are plenty more like him and it's just not understandable. Pride and anger don't appear to be factors. It's just business as usual.
    Liberals define truth according to their ideology.

    That is truth is always in flux.

    They aren't beholden to it and have no problem manipulating the facts to make their policies and or arguments seem more credible than they are.

    They ACA architect that called American voters idiots is a good example.

    Lying to 300 Million people was justified because they are first and foremost, " idiots " and second, don't know a good piece of legislation when they see it

    He's a coward POS, surrounded with like minded ideologues I'm sure.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    FFS!!!

    If you are talking about the ACA....you are not talking about UNINSURED. If they have an ACA policy....THEY ARE INSURED.

    Good grief.
    Again we are talking about who pays for it, the Federal or state taxpayers? Under ACA the Federal Tax dollars are controlled by a bureaucrat in DC whereas with state programs the state govt. closer to the people control the dollars. You have yet to explain why this is a federal program and why ACA? Why not Romneycare if the state electorate supports it?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Good grief. Your troll posts are boring.
    Ah, from being "gay" to being a "troll".....and you still can't bring yourself to even begin to fathom the context of the argument.

    Further, so many of the projections were based on states cooperating with federal enrollment. If the states decide to hinder or outright block enrollment of the purchase of insurance by those seeking it, is the administration responsible for that?
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What really is stupid is the liberal rhetoric that this is a federal program vs an individual and state responsibility. Just like minimum wage, states handle their own issues and that is where healthcare belongs. Rhetoric trumps reality in the liberal world and you prove it every day. You do not pay for the uninsured in TX, I do
    Then states should step up and handle it. If they don't, as we've seen, the federal government will. And precedence has been set on that.

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