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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL...Con...its always fun to watch you shuffle and dance around the facts. I know if makes you uncomfortable knowing that Texas (and Mississippi) have the worst record in the country on people working for minimum wage....straight out of those BLS numbers you love so much (well...maybe not love so much when the numbers don't match your rhetoric).
    Yep, typical liberalism where 500,000 is more than 1.6 million. California has the most making minimum wage and the most on poverty yet you keep ignoring reality. Just like a liberal ignoring that BLS doesn't survey California but the state Department of public service does. Keep showing that Gruber was right

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then by definition....they are making more than the Federal Minimum wage. Bottom line...Texas and Mississippi have the worst record in the nation for people working for minimum wages.
    Yes, until July 2014 Californian made an $8 minimum wage. Try living in California on $8 an hour

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then by definition....they are making more than the Federal Minimum wage. Bottom line...Texas and Mississippi have the worst record in the nation for people working for minimum wages.
    No, they don't. While Texas has the largest number of people workiing at or below minimum wage, as a % of workers paid hourly wage Texas (6.4%) is behind Tennessee (7.4%), Idaho (7.1%), Alabama (6.%), and Arkansas (6.8%).
    As for Mississippi....They're number 9 for percent working at or below, and 28th for number.

    But in any case, saying "people working minimum wages" does NOT imply Federal minimum wage but implies the minimum wage of their area.
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    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL...Con...its always fun to watch you shuffle and dance around the facts. I know if makes you uncomfortable knowing that Texas (and Mississippi) have the worst record in the country on people working for minimum wage....straight out of those BLS numbers you love so much (well...maybe not love so much when the numbers don't match your rhetoric).
    Except BLS does not agree with you Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers 2013 (table 3)
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
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    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

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    REGULATION NATION: Obama oversees expansion of the regulatory state | TheHill

    All the experts say that regulation is smothering business activity...That you think somehow it doesn't matter is laughable.
    Not true, I gave you experts who say they are not. I gave you a study that shows it's not. You seek people who "say" it is. Try finding a study that "shows" it is.



    Once again by the force of government...Not through efficiency, or making things better....You're confusing innovation with being forced to do something....But I understand, you see government as the answer.
    Not really, government is forcing safety, both on the work site and environmental safety. But it does inspire innovation, creating new jobs.



    Really?

    So when you said - "A tax increase will give them an incentive to invest in the business, because it is the cost of NOT investing that goes up, not the cost of investing. " How can that not be taken as anything other than government forcing business to hire if they don't want to get taxed....?
    Incentives are not force. You do know the difference right? In fact, out the other side of the mouth we often hear complaints about a lack of incentives. You can't have it both ways.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We are not the government. What an idiotic thing to say. Unless you are one of the two million busybody bureaucrats hired to spy on us, harass us with IRS questions/audits or the EPA to de-industrialize the nation you are not the government.

    Government is evil. Most people are not. I can make an exception in your case if you want to continue to believe you are the government.
    Of course we are. We vote for representatives and vote them out each election cycle. We also lobby and push politicians to do the things we want done. Legislation doesn't pop up out of thin air. Citizens push and pull to get things done. Representatives respond.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course we are. We vote for representatives and vote them out each election cycle. We also lobby and push politicians to do the things we want done. Legislation doesn't pop up out of thin air. Citizens push and pull to get things done. Representatives respond.
    No. We are not the government. If you want to be that is fine with me. The government is evil. At best it is a necessary evil. At worst an intolerable one. Or if you prefer T. Paine, "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No. We are not the government. If you want to be that is fine with me. The government is evil. At best it is a necessary evil. At worst an intolerable one. Or if you prefer T. Paine, "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
    You must be sad a lot.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not true, I gave you experts who say they are not. I gave you a study that shows it's not. You seek people who "say" it is. Try finding a study that "shows" it is.


    Not really, government is forcing safety, both on the work site and environmental safety. But it does inspire innovation, creating new jobs.


    Incentives are not force. You do know the difference right? In fact, out the other side of the mouth we often hear complaints about a lack of incentives. You can't have it both ways.
    Joe, usually I really enjoy our back and forths. Largely because you don't take what I say to you personally, and go running off to mods. (At least as far as I know)...But on this, we are just not going to get anywhere close to agreement on anything concerning it...You believe that Government has all the answers, and I don't. Period...

    So, I am not going to go further with you on this. At least not at this point. And I refuse to bang my head against a wall with you on it. So, have a good day.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Joe, usually I really enjoy our back and forths. Largely because you don't take what I say to you personally, and go running off to mods. (At least as far as I know)...But on this, we are just not going to get anywhere close to agreement on anything concerning it...You believe that Government has all the answers, and I don't. Period...

    So, I am not going to go further with you on this. At least not at this point. And I refuse to bang my head against a wall with you on it. So, have a good day.
    No, I've never reported you or really anyone else. The only person I ever reported was the person pretending to be conservative.

    But, no, actually the opposite. I've tried to get you to see this, but if you think government is responsible for the economy, then you think it has all the answers and not me. I show that these things have very limited effect, and show studies to back it (not just someone you like saying it). Taxes really have little to no effect on jobs. Regulations are a push, losing some jobs and creating others, but if they are needed, they are needed, regardless of number. The way to combat that is to show those not needed. Not to merely quote a number.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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