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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    LOL....you need look no further than the author of the OP to appreciate the incredible irony of this thead.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are leaving because they can get even cheaper labor...
    In some cases like with Apple that is probably true to an extent...Business in under NO obligation to pay more for labor than they have to...

    don't have to worry about healthcare...
    Yep, and now under Obama, and liberals like you, have ensured that Health insurance costs are prohibitive to business, so it will result in MORE outsourcing....Thanks for admitting that.

    don't have to worry about having safe working conditions.
    In some cases yes, in others no...Depends on where they relocate...After all the bottom line is to turn out the end product for as little as possible, and sell it for as much as is possible...But, much more goes into a decision to relocate other than safety standards, or talking points like what you present here...
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....you need look no further than the author of the OP to appreciate the incredible irony of this thead.
    Gruber nailed it especially with people from California that vote Democratic and call themselves liberal.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I agree. Voters are lazy. They don't study the issues; they believe in what the pundits and the media tell them; and they let TV commercials help them decide on what to vote for.
    Isn't that better than being guided by what the politicians say?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Isn't that better than being guided by what the politicians say?
    I think it is as bad as following what a politician states. I think if voters were more educated, they'd hold their politicians more accountable. Fool me once same on you, fool me twice, same on me.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There is a difference between "fairness" in outcome, and "fairness" in opportunity...You are not promised an equal outcome, only an equal opportunity...
    Yes, I'm familiar with that thinking. And it doesn't really apply here. No one said anything about equality with anyone in anyway. We're talking about fair wages and not opportunity. That's the trouble with spouting platitudes, you have to what they mean so you can use them appropriately.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In some cases like with Apple that is probably true to an extent...Business in under NO obligation to pay more for labor than they have to...



    Yep, and now under Obama, and liberals like you, have ensured that Health insurance costs are prohibitive to business, so it will result in MORE outsourcing....Thanks for admitting that.



    In some cases yes, in others no...Depends on where they relocate...After all the bottom line is to turn out the end product for as little as possible, and sell it for as much as is possible...But, much more goes into a decision to relocate other than safety standards, or talking points like what you present here...
    Actually costs are flat. For about 29% of us they've decreased according to the link I gave you earlier. But as the reform still keeps insurance linked to employment, ACA did not solve this problem. And no one says anyone is obligated to do anything, so yes, that third world worker making next to nothing, not getting health care, working in unsafe working conditions is real appealing, and you want America to look more like them? Really?

    The point is that other issue lead to them leaving over taxes, and much of it is a matter of greed over what is best for all. They are free to that, and I have not said they aren't. But they are not to be praised or appeased for not having foresight. In the end, lower wages will hurt them more than help. Remember, someone has to buy the ****.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I'm familiar with that thinking. And it doesn't really apply here. No one said anything about equality with anyone in anyway. We're talking about fair wages and not opportunity. That's the trouble with spouting platitudes, you have to what they mean so you can use them appropriately.
    Aw, yes, a fair wage? Tell me what a fair wage is for me? Seems you know what a fair wage is for everyone else so tell me what a fair wage is for me and explain why?

    Liberal logic seems to be that a liberal knows what a fair wage is as they use that term all the time, so define it

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Aw, yes, a fair wage? Tell me what a fair wage is for me? Seems you know what a fair wage is for everyone else so tell me what a fair wage is for me and explain why?

    Liberal logic seems to be that a liberal knows what a fair wage is as they use that term all the time, so define it
    Its not that hard. Say we go back and pay what we paid in the past, accounting for inflation. Wouldn't that be fair?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I'm familiar with that thinking. And it doesn't really apply here. No one said anything about equality with anyone in anyway. We're talking about fair wages and not opportunity. That's the trouble with spouting platitudes, you have to what they mean so you can use them appropriately.
    Or debate with honest people...
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