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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So the demonization of the poor, that's not "class warfare." Okay.
    No one is 'demonizing the poor'!

    It is leftists who have said "Eat The Rich", etc, while there has never been anything like that said of the poor.

    Of course they wouldn't have much meat on them anyway.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have to agree with this. There is no more demonization of the poor than those who think they are too stupid or too incompetent to make it on their own without government help. There is no more demonization of the poor who think the poor can be made more rich by making others less rich. There is no more demonization of the poor than those who think big government is the answer to all of societies ills and who give no credit for those who would improve their lot in life on their own given incentive and opportunity to do so.
    We saw that happen in the '90's when Clinton, with a push from Gingrich, applied more stringent welfare rules and many of these people went back to work.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have to agree with this. There is no more demonization of the poor than those who think they are too stupid or too incompetent to make it on their own without government help. There is no more demonization of the poor who think the poor can be made more rich by making others less rich. There is no more demonization of the poor than those who think big government is the answer to all of societies ills and who give no credit for those who would improve their lot in life on their own given incentive and opportunity to do so.
    The Republocrats in general use the poor to form their political propaganda bitchfest. It's one of the topics they use to try to pretend there's a difference, when functionally they'll just do the same thing anyway. Both the R and the D love government dependence, it's good for their power.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We saw that happen in the '90's when Clinton, with a push from Gingrich, applied more stringent welfare rules and many of these people went back to work.
    It has been true of people throughout history. My sig line is excerpted from Ben Franklin's essay:

    . . .I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. . . .--Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1766
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The Republocrats in general use the poor to form their political propaganda bitchfest. It's one of the topics they use to try to pretend there's a difference, when functionally they'll just do the same thing anyway. Both the R and the D love government dependence, it's good for their power.
    It is true that permanent political class in Washington is pretty much cut from one piece of cloth and both Republican and Democrats share common motives of increasing their personal power, prestige, influence, and wealth. The difference is that the Democrats represent a group of people who seem to WANT bondage in return for cradle to grave security, however ineptly or destructively it is delivered. The Republican represent those of us who believe that government that does only what it constitutionally must do and then leaves the people alone to live their lives is the best government.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    It has been true of people throughout history. My sig line is excerpted from Ben Franklin's essay:

    . . .I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. . . .--Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1766
    It was as true then as it is now!

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The Republocrats in general use the poor to form their political propaganda bitchfest. It's one of the topics they use to try to pretend there's a difference, when functionally they'll just do the same thing anyway. Both the R and the D love government dependence, it's good for their power.
    Please name for me the dependence created by Republicans?

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    It is true that permanent political class in Washington is pretty much cut from one piece of cloth and both Republican and Democrats share common motives of increasing their personal power, prestige, influence, and wealth. The difference is that the Democrats represent a group of people who seem to WANT bondage in return for cradle to grave security, however ineptly or destructively it is delivered. The Republican represent those of us who believe that government that does only what it constitutionally must do and then leaves the people alone to live their lives is the best government.
    It also seems true that Republicans feel forced to compete in handing out freebies to the people or they will be accused of being against the poor (or pick any group). Of course moving in the opposite direction, which they seem to be doing now, would actually be more popular.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It also seems true that Republicans feel forced to compete in handing out freebies to the people or they will be accused of being against the poor (or pick any group). Of course moving in the opposite direction, which they seem to be doing now, would actually be more popular.
    Yes. I was literally screaming at the television screen when it was announced that GWB's senior prescription bill had passed Congress saddling us with yet another hugely expensive entitlement and pushing us a notch closer to complete dependence on the Federal government.

    I wish I was as confident that the GOP will move away from government dependence and toward unalienable rights and freedom as you are. I confess I have no such confidence. I think they will talk a good game as always and continue to govern in ways that will keep them in their seats as long as possible.

    But even so, because they do represent those of us who still yearn for liberty over bondage, they will do less damage than the Democrats do.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Please name for me the dependence created by Republicans?
    Safety. The Republican arm of the Republocrats is big on the fear mongering. Don't think for yourself, government will keep you safe....by spying on you and restricting your rights and liberties and otherwise draconian, Big Brother tactics.

    It's all a ruse, everything the Republocrats do is to increase size and scope and power of government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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