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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, my responses take into account the arguments and posts directed at me. His past two posts have been drive by ad homs with no substance. Ergo, it does appear to be a strong suit of his. Had there been anything other than crying about liberal this or progressive that, it could have taken a different path. But measurement is as measurement is, yes? Reality cannot be changed.
    Never noticed any "crying" but Liberals and/or Progressives do tend to exaggerate.

    The Left is a natural part of any democracy and as such can participate equally with those who are clearly better informed. Until general knowledge quizzes are set up outside voting booths Liberals/Progressives will continue to have equal rights in all democratic functions and, despite their foolishness, anti-social characteristics and general maintenance, I wouldn't want it any other way.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Speaking of the stupidity of the American voter, here's a little article I ran across from a Canuck perspective.


    Attachment 67175749


    The USA sounds like it might be a good country to live in.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Never noticed any "crying"
    Oh, then you must not have read the post in question. You should likely do the background work before commenting on something so that you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "access" pfft...! what a joke...you use the language of the typical lying democrat, while touting the lie that the progressives told about this pile of dung law that was forced on us....The OWS line of Corporate hate in your messages is loud and clear, but rather infantile IMHO, on approach.
    It's nothing but whining and crying about how democrats lie and how progressives lie and blah blah message of hate. At no point was any issue actually addressed, it was just the same ol' partisan tantrum that has seemingly taken over the Republocrats stock arguments.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh, then you must not have read the post in question. You should likely do the background work before commenting on something so that you know. It's nothing but whining and crying about how democrats lie and how progressives lie and blah blah message of hate. At no point was any issue actually addressed, it was just the same ol' partisan tantrum that has seemingly taken over the Republocrats stock arguments.
    Good post. Again you managed to avoid any ad homs.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA sounds like it might be a good country to live in.
    It certainly is, though some neighborhoods could be avoided.


    Of course BHO never made Obama a good country. That was done long before he arrived.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you can't actually make an argument then, huh? You don't engage much because it isn't your strong suit. Drive by ad homs seem to be, though.

    As for this response, just a dodge as usual. Pathetic.
    My argument, or point was in my first point to you which you chose to whine about rather than take on...And that is the use of words like 'access', and using the usual OWS style language are fail's....Now, do you have something to contribute, rather than this circular logic you are attempting?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh, then you must not have read the post in question. You should likely do the background work before commenting on something so that you know.



    It's nothing but whining and crying about how democrats lie and how progressives lie and blah blah message of hate. At no point was any issue actually addressed, it was just the same ol' partisan tantrum that has seemingly taken over the Republocrats stock arguments.
    Oh simple man.... The "issue" is you! And people like you that like to consider themselves some kind of independent thinker, but in reading what it is you have to say, is found out as a run of the mill whiner.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My argument, or point was in my first point to you which you chose to whine about rather than take on...And that is the use of words like 'access', and using the usual OWS style language are fail's....Now, do you have something to contribute, rather than this circular logic you are attempting?
    This is just measured fact. Currently Americans pay more for and have less access to healthcare than any other developed nation. Obamacare did nothing to rectify that. It's not actual universal healthcare. It merely states that we all have to buy private insurance, it guarantees full consumership for the insurance companies. Nothing more. There was no real attempt at universal healthcare, Obamacare merely funnels money from the American people to the private insurance companies. It's like saying "universal car coverage" because we all are forced to buy car insurance.

    Do you contend this?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is just measured fact. Currently Americans pay more for and have less access to healthcare than any other developed nation.
    How are you measuring access? A large number of people, particularly the young, do not take advantage of employer offered health care. So the "X% of Americans who don't have health care" is NOT the same as "X% of Americans don't have access to health care."
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    How are you measuring access? A large number of people, particularly the young, do not take advantage of employer offered health care. So the "X% of Americans who don't have health care" is NOT the same as "X% of Americans don't have access to health care."
    These studies are done all the time, here's one.

    US Health System Ranks Last Among Eleven Countries on Measures of Access, Equity, Quality, Efficiency, and Healthy Lives - The Commonwealth Fund

    Despite having the most expensive health care system, the United States ranks last overall among 11 industrialized countries on measures of health system quality, efficiency, access to care, equity, and healthy lives, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report.
    The United States’ ranking is dragged down substantially by deficiencies in access to primary care and inequities and inefficiencies in our health care system according to Mirror, Mirror on the Wall: How the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally, 2014 Update, by Karen Davis, of the Roger C. Lipitz Center for Integrated Health Care at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health; Kristof Stremikis, of the Pacific Business Group on Health, and Commonwealth Fund researchers Cathy Schoen and David Squires.
    Essentially Americans pay more for and have less access to healthcare. Obamacare has really done nothing substantial to address that. It merely makes us all buy insurance. So there's some numbers that will change, but there's no dynamic that would affect the cost or true access by the populace in general. The article I linked seems to hold out hope for the Affordable Care Act, but I don't. It's been in effect for sometime, and I don't think we've seen much movement in terms of pricing and access. If they can produce the honest numbers, I'll change my tune, but it remains to be seen.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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