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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So you vehemently oppose the ACA then? You want it overturned?
    Of course not. There are many who do want it overturned for that reason, but I am not one of them. To me, it's at least a step in the right direction.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    They were not deceiving people about stepping toward socialized medicine, they were trying to fool people about the costs, about it really being a wealth redistribution program, about the fact that the younger people would have to pay in large amounts of money and get almost nothing out.
    No one is deceiving anyone. Everyone knew the ACA was going to be a market place to purchase health care, that took away preexisting conditions, but required people to carry health insurance or they'd receive a fine.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    No one is deceiving anyone. Everyone knew the ACA was going to be a market place to purchase health care, that took away preexisting conditions, but required people to carry health insurance or they'd receive a fine.
    Actually no, if you know any poor folks who cannot afford health insurance or care, ask them. They thought they wouldn't have to pay a fine as they are, you know, poor.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually no, if you know any poor folks who cannot afford health insurance or care, ask them. They thought they wouldn't have to pay a fine as they are, you know, poor.
    I cannot say what these poor people knew or did not know. But if they didn't know, they were not paying attention. It was not for lack of information in this regard.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    No one is deceiving anyone. Everyone knew the ACA was going to be a market place to purchase health care, that took away preexisting conditions, but required people to carry health insurance or they'd receive a fine.
    Ha! You better tell that to Obama's boy Gruber, because he was pretty sure that they needed to deceive, and wrote the bill in "a tortured way" as he said, in order to deceive so it would pass. He said it had "no chance" of passing if they didn't deceive people because of the taxes.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I cannot say what these poor people knew or did not know. But if they didn't know, they were not paying attention. It was not for lack of information in this regard.
    I dunno, CA. The ACA is an evolving animal, and there appears to be quite a bit to keep up with as a result. And I think I'm being very kind in calling this evolution, and not failure.

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    I understand that you're referring to pre-ACA passage, but the point here is that the above demonstrates that in fact the government didn't know what was going to be required, it's little much to expect the average person to know such things in anywhere near that detail. And to know it in advance, as well.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The Constitution does not spell out every possible thing Congress can do. It's a guideline.
    This is a phrase an authoritarian statist uses somewhere along the road to tyranny. Why have a Constitution at all if it is just a guideline?

    And hold on. First of all, don't compare slavery to a bill that attempts to improve health care for everyone in the country. That's dumb as ****.

    Secondly, building tanks isn't in there either. Flying drones. I don't recall the CIA being in the Constitution. What about Air Force One? I don't recall that being written in by the Founders either.

    Let's try to argue above a grade school level here, please.
    Providing for the common defense is one of the most important requirements of a federal Constitution. Let's try to argue above a grade school level here, please.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    No. I don't. That's insanity. I don't want to go to work, either, but I have to. I don't want to get up and feed my baby at 3am, but I gotta do that too. Quit crying. The government was given the explicit authority to tax to promote social welfare for society.
    This is wrong.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

    So there are three things the Congress can tax us to accomplish. Social welfare ie explicitly NOT one of the reasons.
    1) to pay the debts
    2) to provide for the common defense
    3) to provide for the general welfare.

    General welfare has nothing to do with today's welfare state. None of the welfare spending is Constitutional. It is extra-constitutional. It is tyrannical.

    General welfare is welfare for all no welfare for each. An example is building a bridge for all to use. It is not providing a welfare check for everyone who lives withing a hundred miles of the river.

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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !!

    If the CRA was about stopping discrimination based on color and neighborhood then why did the Government force banks and the GSEs to lower their standards ?
    bu bu bu bu BULLSTANK!


    Now go and read up on your conservative links who all lined up to find a way to blame the government first and fabricate the evidence to prove that scenario second.
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    Re: Stupidity of the American Voter?

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    bu bu bu bu BULLSTANK!


    Now go and read up on your conservative links who all lined up to find a way to blame the government first and fabricate the evidence to prove that scenario second.

    I don't need to "read up " on anything.

    Clintons 1995 CRA changes allowed everyone from Clintons DOJ to ACORN to HUD to low life attorney's like Barrack Obama to target and sue ( extort ) banks
    for " discrimination ".

    Janet Reno even bragged about how effectivene his CRA changes were in 1998.

    Do you want me to post her actual words where she bragged about suing 13 banks by 1998 ?

    Or would that be a " Conservative fabrication " ??

    How about Clintons Treasury Secretary bragging about the effectiveness of Clintons 1995 CRA changes in a E-mail to Clinton in 1998 ?

    Or would that be a " Conservative fabrication " too ??

    Too bad history doesn't support your hack stale left wing talking points.
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