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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The US DOJ can enforce legislation, which is the way it should be done. The FCC does not need to be allowed to create rules and regulations by treating the internet as a utility under laws that already exist, but have absolutely nothing to do with the uniqueness of the internet. The FCC should not be given authority that it does not have. The Congress needs to pass legislation and let the DOJ enforce it and prosecute any ISP that breaks the law.

    And, it isn't an argument, but rather my belief. A closely held belief based on my ~30 years dealing with the federal government in one form or another.

    Heya Beaudreaux. To be honest the Fed and the Courts would have to be concerned about those less restrictive rules. Even if Obama doesn't care about them. Correct?

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And you trust the DOJ to do this, yes?
    The DOJ answers to the real courts if they go outside the lines. The FCC has its own internal court system that answers to no one. And no, I don't trust any of them to do anything correctly, but passing legislation and having recourse through the real court system is preferable to the FCC getting powers endowed upon it without legislative intent or restriction.

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    What is being proposed is not lawful in my opinion, and any Net Neutrality regulations should be promulgated from legislation made into law, not given to a relatively unaccountable federal commission that has its own internal courts that are not appealable to any other federal court.

    There's more to this than just saying "Wow, that makes sense. Yeah, Mr. President. Do that."
    Ok so your position is that the legislation should be enacted differently to how it is currently planned. To be fair I'm pretty uninformed on how the FCC operates so I can concede on that. Out of interest, is any of your federal experience with the FCC in particular?
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The internet is neutral. Just a bunch of hyperbole from cheapskates who do not want to pay their way who sucker the gullible into thinking this is about something it is not. Google made no big deal about this and pays the fees to help ISP's continue to meet the needs of the users. Other companies just want welfare. "Net Neutrality"="Corporate Obamaphones"
    You are aware that no one hops onto the internet for free? Everyone pays for a certain download and upload speed and their internet speeds will never exceed what they pay for.That idea that a company is sucking up bandwidth is absurd. ISPs are not losing money just because their costumers are using the upload and download speed those customers paid for.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    I should be able to pay a flat fee for a connection to the internet, based on how much bandwidth I want.

    Every single entity should have the same option, with the obvious price increases for higher capacity.


    There is no way in hell it is reasonable to expect me to pay more for certain types of content.
    Nor is it reasonable to allow ISP's to provide artificially preferential performance for companies if they pay more, unless you're talking a company paying for higher bandwidth.


    In short, internet service prices should be based on bandwidth ONLY. The type and source of the content should NEVER be a factor.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    I'm glad Obama is tackling this issue three years after he should have!!! Thanks Obama! You've proven to be an incredibly weak/spineless president when it comes to domestic issues...

    Maybe he's only speaking up now because the cable providers didn't donate enough to his campaign?
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    So while you are casting stones at others calling them idiots why don't you look in the mirror and stop being one.
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    Fact of the matter is there are FEW very big users of bandwidth. They profit at the expense of others providing it. You know that but for some political hack reason choose to ignore it - which makes you ignorant.

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    It's almost like you turn every issue into a right/left thing even though this really concerns us all in the way that having safe drinking water concerns us all. It's almost like half the time you have no clue what you're talking about and you're just making it up as you go but only looking right or left on an issue. Net neutrality has nothing to do with Netflix, Hulu and YouTube. It has to do with advertisers treating all internet content the same way and not gouging their customer based on subjective notions of what they should pay for the actual content. So say for example whomever your provider is decides that they'll start charging for a "social package". Internet forums, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, instantly get bundled up in a neat little package and added to your internet bill for an extra $5 bucks. Why? No reason. Oh you don't use those websites? Fine. Say you use you use internet to purchase movies/music on iTunes. That needs to be downloaded. Great! That now becomes part of another bundle called "Entertainment". Say you play video games and use a service like Steam. That gets bundled up too and you get to pay more for using the same amount of data you were before.

    If nothing being said here makes you be a supporter of net neutrality, may I refer you to this idiot:

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    I'm sure you'll enjoy his talking points.

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    So while you are casting stones at others calling them idiots why don't you look in the mirror and stop being one.
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    Fact of the matter is there are FEW very big users of bandwidth. They profit at the expense of others providing it. You know that but for some political hack reason choose to ignore it - which makes you ignorant.
    It's like you have no idea what you're discussing. Net neutrality has nothing to do with stopping a few users of bandwidth. It has to do with companies being able to establish how you access data, what data you access and how much it costs.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    This ridiculous stance may be the thing that assures I don't vote for Cruz in the primary.

    The Oatmeal has a wonderful illustrated explanation of this for Mr. Cruz.

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