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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Having FCC regulations that protect a free and open internet and letting them censor the internet like they do TV and radio is not the same thing, nor even related. It's a classic example of the slippery slope fallacy.
    I deal with the federal government daily, and their ability to transgress and transcend their limited authority is why I have a job. If it were not for federal officials making restrictive decisions that they do not have the power to do, I would have to find a real job.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah, it's not really possible for the FCC to really restrict television the way they do TV/Radio. How would they restrict profanity/nudity/violence on the internet? It would mean somehow creating software capable of #1 inspecting the zettabites of information out there and #2 censoring. It's unrealistic and would bring far more lawsuits than they really need.
    Simple. Restrict our access to such content, and then... prosecute us when we do anyway by requiring the ISP's to report us for doing so. The NSA already has the software to do it, and has required the ISP's to give the information to them now.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It would a federal law and federal prosecution by the US DOJ. The Constitution gives the Congress in in Article One, Section Eight, the power to regulate Interstate Commerce, and the internet definitely qualifies under that term.

    But, then we get into the next problem. Letting Congress write a bill that is influenced by the big ISP pipe owners as well as the menagerie of copyright holding companies like the music and movie industries. They already tried twice over the last few years with SOPA and PIPA. Both monstrosities that would have killed part of the freedom that the internet provides.

    Giving a bureaucratic organization like the FCC the power to regulate and control the internet can only end badly for free expression and unfettered access to anything and everything - what makes the internet so valuable a resource to the world.
    I have no issue with the 1st and 2nd paragraph but the 3rd paragraph seems off. The way it's looking, the FCC is being put in charge of regulating the way the internet is distributed. Not the actual content of it. In any case, censoring content on the internet is not a possibility. Not only would it not fly, any part in support of it would ensure never being voted into power again by the generation growing up with internet.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What do you think Wheeler is saying here?

    Still, even if the full proposal is blocked or watered down, it should invigorate and widen the debate, which will likely make the end result closer to what proponents of an open Internet seek. FCC chairman Wheeler has been discussing focusing heavier regulation on Internet connections among big companies, including cable and telecom companies, web sites like Netflix and network wholesalers like Level 3 Communications (LVLT), not consumer connections. He reacted with caution to Obama's statement. "We must take the time to get the job done correctly, once and for all, in order to successfully protect consumers and innovators online," Wheeler said.

    3. On the other hand, Obama is not seeking to regulate the Internet to the same degree as traditional telecommunications rules. While anti-discrimination rules would be enforced, Obama said he did not favor pricing regulations or other “less relevant” types of rules.....snip~


    Just because BO does not favor pricing regulations.....or Other Less Relevant type of rules. Doesn't mean the Fed won't huh?
    The Feds need to stay out, except for one thing and that is strip the telco and cable companies monopolies in local areas. Even the areas with negotiated contracts with the cable and Telco's. Let anyone who has the money in. That will rattle some cages.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Simple. Restrict our access to such content, and then... prosecute us when we do anyway by requiring the ISP's to report us for doing so. The NSA already has the software to do it, and has required the ISP's to give the information to them now.
    This has to do with violations of freedom of speech. It has already been determined in a few courts that governments have no right to restrict a person from accessing information or someone from putting it up. So for example, say you wanted to look up bomb making material on the internet. If the FCC tried to restrict you from it, they'd basically have to argue that there is information which you have no right to access. That's a tough sell in any SCOTUS court.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I have no issue with the 1st and 2nd paragraph but the 3rd paragraph seems off. The way it's looking, the FCC is being put in charge of regulating the way the internet is distributed. Not the actual content of it. In any case, censoring content on the internet is not a possibility. Not only would it not fly, any part in support of it would ensure never being voted into power again by the generation growing up with internet.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Having FCC regulations that protect a free and open internet and letting them censor the internet like they do TV and radio is not the same thing, nor even related. It's a classic example of the slippery slope fallacy.
    The only thing that the FCC needs to do is strip the monopolies of the cable and telico's, let others come and play in their turf. That's it. The rest is simple contract enforcement. Which Netflix needs to get off their ass and do. As well as us. You would think there would be lawyers out there chomping on the bit to go steal some money from the cable monopolies with such a easy case to make for fraudulent practices.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This has to do with violations of freedom of speech. It has already been determined in a few courts that governments have no right to restrict a person from accessing information or someone from putting it up. So for example, say you wanted to look up bomb making material on the internet. If the FCC tried to restrict you from it, they'd basically have to argue that there is information which you have no right to access. That's a tough sell in any SCOTUS court.
    I would agree, to the point that given what happened after WWII, and after 9/11, I don't trust the government to not tell me what THEY feel I need to do and know and restrict me to only that.

    Maybe I'm overstating my position, but I am seriously concerned with letting the FCC (or any federal agency) get ANY control over the internet.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The only thing I trust politicians and especially bureaucrats to do, is screw up what ever they touch.
    Read the post above yours. Restricting content on the internet is no different than banning books at federal libraries. Say the government decided to censor books like Mein Kempf or the Communist Manifesto on the grounds that access to it could corrupt the minds of the young. They'd basically have to argue that you don't have a right to that information. That's a pretty big violation of freedom of speech. Access to information is covered under the 1st in the same way dissemination of said information.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The Feds need to stay out, except for one thing and that is strip the telco and cable companies monopolies in local areas. Even the areas with negotiated contracts with the cable and Telco's. Let anyone who has the money in. That will rattle some cages.

    Huff Po is putting it out as BO wants the Strongest Possible rules.....Wheeler says everything is on the table.

    On Monday, President Barack Obama came out in favor of the "strongest possible rules to protect net neutrality," endorsing a popular proposal that would empower the Federal Communications Commission to require Internet service providers to treat all web traffic equally and not charge content providers for better access.

    "We cannot allow Internet service providers to restrict the best access or to pick winners and losers in the online marketplace for services and ideas," Obama said in a statement.

    Last week, The Wall Street Journal reported that the FCC was considering a "hybrid" compromise that would empower ISPs to make deals with companies to allow for faster content delivery, while still allowing for oversight.....snip~

    Obama Urges FCC To Set 'Strongest Possible Rules' To Protect Net Neutrality

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