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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ....What you're arguing is essentially that:

    - you don't want the government restricting ISPs from charging you extra depending on content
    - that you're fine with ISPs having the power to charge consumers twice, once for the pipeline and then the content

    Am I getting that right?

    - You don't want the government to ensure that water suppliers are providing clean water
    - You're fine with being charged for water use
    - and then charging you again drinking it.

    You realize that yes?
    No you did not get that right. I was careful to say "on a day to day basis." Congress passing Net Neutrality laws are a different thing all together.

    Personally I feel that I am getting ripped off by the ISP's by their charging me to access the internet and then charging the content providers for supplying content for the ISP's customers that I end up paying for in increased fees (charging me twice) and then throttling my connection to certain content providers (like Netflix) which I have documented and sent to my Congressman as evidence for the need for legislation. The internet should not be regulated like a utility by the FCC - that would only lead to higher fees, less quality and less content... as well as potential censorship.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Because our water, electricity, etc is one of the best in the world. Seriously, watch this video and see what will happen if we don't enact laws protecting net neutrality.

    I know what Net Neutrality is, and support it completely, including legislation to make it law. I do not support the FCC regulating the internet (no gay sites, no unlimited access to sites that may be "questionable" in their content, etc.). The FCC regulates what we can and cannot see or hear on the TV and radio - I do not want them having that power over the internet. Can you imagine Ted Cruz being in charge of the FCC internet oversight committee?
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm all for it if that's the plan and that is in fact what is going on currently. I can't believe there are people who oppose net neutrality. The political ramifications simply aren't good either. Could you imagine political parties making back-door deals with ISPs to restrict access to certain websites? You're a Ron Paul supporter? Good luck getting to his websites! You want to use Debate Politics? Great. It's part of a package called "News and Politics".
    There doesn't need to be fed regulation just a bunch of lawsuits over contract violations. Large lawsuits. Comcast, Time Warner and the rest need to get their ass's kicked around a bit by their customers. Most ISP's in this country do not provide what is advertised in speed. You go to another country they not only provide what is advertised but generally do a bit better. AOL tried the walled garden approach to the internet. Didn't work too well for them. When I buy a pipe I expect a minimum of the advertised performance.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I know what Net Neutrality is, and support it completely, including legislation to make it law. I do not support the FCC regulating the internet (no gay sites, no unlimited access to sites that may be "questionable" in their content, etc.). The FCC regulates what we can and cannot see or hear on the TV and radio - I do not want them having that power over the internet. Can you imagine Ted Cruz being in charge of the FCC internet oversight committee?
    I agree, but that isn't what we are talking about, nor do a significant number of people support such a thing.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I agree, but that isn't what we are talking about, nor do a significant number of people support such a thing.
    I'm not saying that what I stated is supported by anyone. I simply give you a look into the future if the FCC gets its hands around the throat of the internet.

    It will end badly.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    No you did not get that right. I was careful to say "on a day to day basis." Congress passing Net Neutrality laws are a different thing all together.

    Personally I feel that I am getting ripped off by the ISP's by their charging me to access the internet and then charging the content providers for supplying content for the ISP's customers that I end up paying for in increased fees (charging me twice) and then throttling my connection to certain content providers (like Netflix) which I have documented and sent to my Congressman as evidence for the need for legislation. The internet should not be regulated like a utility by the FCC - that would only lead to higher fees, less quality and less content... as well as potential censorship.
    At least we can agree that what the companies are trying to do is something neither of us wants. I don't know how I stand on the FCC regulating the internet. I just know it's definitely a better option than standing in opposition to net neutrality and leaving it up to the companies to decide. I think there is a common ground and that is passing legislation where companies who are reported several times to DA office must come under immediate investigation. If they're found guilty there should be a mandatory fine in the millions. If states do not want to prosecute them, that's up to them and their constituents to deal with. However, some sort of regulation/legislation really is needed and that is not debatable IMO.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm not saying that what I stated is supported by anyone. I simply give you a look into the future if the FCC gets its hands around the throat of the internet.

    It will end badly.
    Having FCC regulations that protect a free and open internet and letting them censor the internet like they do TV and radio is not the same thing, nor even related. It's a classic example of the slippery slope fallacy.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Netflix doesn't need the Feds. They just need to man up, get some lawyers and go kick Comcasts and Time Warners asses. Netflix can prove damages right now. Sometimes I wonder if the only thing coming out of business schools these days are bunch of mealy mouthed scared pussies.

    What do you think Wheeler is saying here?

    Still, even if the full proposal is blocked or watered down, it should invigorate and widen the debate, which will likely make the end result closer to what proponents of an open Internet seek. FCC chairman Wheeler has been discussing focusing heavier regulation on Internet connections among big companies, including cable and telecom companies, web sites like Netflix and network wholesalers like Level 3 Communications (LVLT), not consumer connections. He reacted with caution to Obama's statement. "We must take the time to get the job done correctly, once and for all, in order to successfully protect consumers and innovators online," Wheeler said.

    3. On the other hand, Obama is not seeking to regulate the Internet to the same degree as traditional telecommunications rules. While anti-discrimination rules would be enforced, Obama said he did not favor pricing regulations or other “less relevant” types of rules.....snip~


    Just because BO does not favor pricing regulations.....or Other Less Relevant type of rules. Doesn't mean the Fed won't huh?

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    At least we can agree that what the companies are trying to do is something neither of us wants. I don't know how I stand on the FCC regulating the internet. I just know it's definitely a better option than standing in opposition to net neutrality and leaving it up to the companies to decide. I think there is a common ground and that is passing legislation where companies who are reported several times to DA office must come under immediate investigation. If they're found guilty there should be a mandatory fine in the millions. If states do not want to prosecute them, that's up to them and their constituents to deal with. However, some sort of regulation/legislation really is needed and that is not debatable IMO.
    It would be a federal law and federal prosecution by the US DOJ. The Constitution gives the Congress in in Article One, Section Eight, the power to regulate Interstate Commerce, and the internet definitely qualifies under that term.

    But, then we get into the next problem. Letting Congress write a bill that is influenced by the big ISP pipe owners as well as the menagerie of copyright holding companies like the music and movie industries. They already tried twice over the last few years with SOPA and PIPA. Both monstrosities that would have killed part of the freedom that the internet provides.

    Giving a bureaucratic organization like the FCC the power to regulate and control the internet can only end badly for free expression and unfettered access to anything and everything - what makes the internet so valuable a resource to the world.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Having FCC regulations that protect a free and open internet and letting them censor the internet like they do TV and radio is not the same thing, nor even related. It's a classic example of the slippery slope fallacy.
    Yeah, it's not really possible for the FCC to really restrict television the way they do TV/Radio. How would they restrict profanity/nudity/violence on the internet? It would mean somehow creating software capable of #1 inspecting the zettabites of information out there and #2 censoring. It's unrealistic and would bring far more lawsuits than they really need.
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