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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Ted Cruz Lashes Out Against Net Neutrality, Calls It 'Obamacare For The Internet'

    Earlier Monday, Obama urged the Federal Communications Commission to "implement the strongest possible rules" to protect a free and open Internet in a video message and written statement.

    Cruz, who has openly opposed the FCC's role in modernizing telecommunications laws, responded to the president's statement on Twitter: "Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government. Cruz spokeswoman Amanda Carpenter echoed the senator in her own tweet, writing, "Net neutrality puts gov't in charge of determining pricing, terms of service, and what products can be delivered. Sound like Obamacare much?"

    The comparison isn't unprecedented, as a May opinion piece featured in the Wall Street Journal included the analogy. The author hammered down on the FCC's vote to open net neutrality rules for debate, saying the FCC would have to go to great lengths to "prevent chaos" in the new Internet market.....snip~

    Obama Urges FCC To Set 'Strongest Possible Rules' To Protect Net Neutrality


    This is BO peep also letting Comcast know he is putting a stop to their deal and goal to take over cable.....the FCC wont do it. The Repubs wont do it. Do you think it is a BO deflection to get eyes elsewhere other than on his screw ups and his Amnesty for Immigrants?
    Net neutrality while technically a correct term is very misleading. It boils down to ISP's wanting to not only charge for pipe size and or volume of content (buckets) which they do now, they want to charge for content as well though that content is being delivered by their customers. ALL of their customers pay for their access to the internet, there no free riders. Basically whats going on is Netflix and the rest of the video providers are being extorted. Netflix, et al should be suing their ISP for violation of contract further so should their customers who are paying ISP's as well for the service to receive the content.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Why would anyone expect that if the government regulated the internet like a utility, that this would be a good thing for the internet? For any of us? The less the government is involved on a day to day basis, the better off we are.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's almost like you turn every issue into a right/left thing even though this really concerns us all in the way that having safe drinking water concerns us all. It's almost like half the time you have no clue what you're talking about and you're just making it up as you go but only looking right or left on an issue. Net neutrality has nothing to do with Netflix, Hulu and YouTube. It has to do with advertisers treating all internet content the same way and not gouging their customer based on subjective notions of what they should pay for the actual content. So say for example whomever your provider is decides that they'll start charging for a "social package". Internet forums, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, instantly get bundled up in a neat little package and added to your internet bill for an extra $5 bucks. Why? No reason. Oh you don't use those websites? Fine. Say you use you use internet to purchase movies/music on iTunes. That needs to be downloaded. Great! That now becomes part of another bundle called "Entertainment". Say you play video games and use a service like Steam. That gets bundled up too and you get to pay more for using the same amount of data you were before.

    If nothing being said here makes you be a supporter of net neutrality, may I refer you to this idiot:

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    I'm sure you'll enjoy his talking points.
    Actually the ISP's are currently violating their contracts with the content providers and their customers and should be sued class action for that violation.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Maybe the internet shouldn't operate at the speed of government - be damn slow if it did.

    But for DAMN sure it shouldn't operate at the speed a big corporation thinks it should, either.
    Yep. This is really an issue that isn't right or left. It's kind of like saying whether or not we should all have access to clean water is a leftist/rightwing issue. It really isn't. It's a matter of one group of people supporting what is pretty much the death of freedom to navigate the internet without restrictions on content.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Why would anyone expect that if the government regulated the internet like a utility, that this would be a good thing for the internet? For any of us? The less the government is involved on a day to day basis, the better off we are.
    ....What you're arguing is essentially that:

    - you don't want the government restricting ISPs from charging you extra depending on content
    - that you're fine with ISPs having the power to charge consumers twice, once for the pipeline and then the content

    Am I getting that right?

    - You don't want the government to ensure that water suppliers are providing clean water
    - You're fine with being charged for water use
    - and then charging you again drinking it.

    You realize that yes?
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Why would anyone expect that if the government regulated the internet like a utility, that this would be a good thing for the internet? For any of us? The less the government is involved on a day to day basis, the better off we are.
    Because our water, electricity, etc is one of the best in the world. Seriously, watch this video and see what will happen if we don't enact laws protecting net neutrality.

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Net neutrality while technically a correct term is very misleading. It boils down to ISP's wanting to not only charge for pipe size and or volume of content (buckets) which they do now, they want to charge for content as well though that content is being delivered by their customers. ALL of their customers pay for their access to the internet, there no free riders. Basically whats going on is Netflix and the rest of the video providers are being extorted. Netflix, et al should be suing their ISP for violation of contract further so should their customers who are paying ISP's as well for the service to receive the content.
    Heya Pirate. Verizon will fight this in the court. If the FCC tries to make a set of new rules. The Federal Courts will have a field day with them.


    "I believe the FCC should create a new set of rules protecting net neutrality and ensuring that neither the cable company nor the phone company will be able to act as a gatekeeper, restricting what you can do or see online, the president said in a surprise statement on Monday. Cable and phone companies should be banned from slowing down or blocking web sites and services, as well as charging more to give some faster access to consumers, Obama said.

    Stocks of leading cable and telecom carriers quickly dropped as much as 7% before recovering somewhat. Time Warner Cable, Comcast and Charter Communications (CHTR) were down 4% or more each at midday, while Cablevision Systems (CVC) lost 2%. Shares of Netflix (NFLX), a poster child for net neutrality after it was forced to pay some big Internet providers for better connections to its customers, gained almost 1%......snip~

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-...154738302.html



    Shares of major cable companies dropped after President Obama announced a plan to strengthen net neutrality rules.



    This would be like giving the Fed.....card blanc.

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I am in favor of businesses that rely on other businesses paying their fair share. The market will take care of the rest. This is being sold as a lie on the public by the moocher lobby. AOL's fall from the king of the internet happened precisely because consumers did not like the content walls they put up to favor their own system. In order to evolve to the fiberoptic everywhere system, companies like netflix and facebook need to pay for the privilege too. In addition, as I have already stated, there will be less content to stream if cable falls and the bandwidth hogs drown out competition already. The cloud will also never work well without expensive infrastructure improvements that still need to be built and paid for. You are effectively defending companies that do nothing but evade taxes on ill gotten profits because the idea of "neutrality" blinds you to the practical realities of how what is came to be and what could be will take to happen.
    Netflix et all DO pay for the privilege. The ISP's are violating their contracts to their customers both the end users of content and the content providers. The pipe which the content is streamed is paid for TWICE. The ISP's want to extort their larger customers like Netflix, and Hulu et al. ie get a third bite. Throttling is a violation of the contract they made with their customers. It is not the customers problem if the ISP's oversold their capacity to provide service they promised. Netflix just needs to get their customers to sign up in a class action lawsuit against Comcast and Time Warner for violation of contract. They have already been conclusively proven to be extorting Netflix and have actively violated the terms of their agreements with their customers who just so happen to be mutual customers with Netflix and the rest.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Actually the ISP's are currently violating their contracts with the content providers and their customers and should be sued class action for that violation.
    I'm all for it if that's the plan and that is in fact what is going on currently. I can't believe there are people who oppose net neutrality. The political ramifications simply aren't good either. Could you imagine political parties making back-door deals with ISPs to restrict access to certain websites? You're a Ron Paul supporter? Good luck getting to his websites! You want to use Debate Politics? Great. It's part of a package called "News and Politics".
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Pirate. Verizon will fight this in the court. If the FCC tries to make a set of new rules. The Federal Courts will have a field day with them.


    "I believe the FCC should create a new set of rules protecting net neutrality and ensuring that neither the cable company nor the phone company will be able to act as a gatekeeper, restricting what you can do or see online, the president said in a surprise statement on Monday. Cable and phone companies should be banned from slowing down or blocking web sites and services, as well as charging more to give some faster access to consumers, Obama said.

    Stocks of leading cable and telecom carriers quickly dropped as much as 7% before recovering somewhat. Time Warner Cable, Comcast and Charter Communications (CHTR) were down 4% or more each at midday, while Cablevision Systems (CVC) lost 2%. Shares of Netflix (NFLX), a poster child for net neutrality after it was forced to pay some big Internet providers for better connections to its customers, gained almost 1%......snip~

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-...154738302.html



    Shares of major cable companies dropped after President Obama announced a plan to strengthen net neutrality rules.



    This would be like giving the Fed.....card blanc.
    Netflix doesn't need the Feds. They just need to man up, get some lawyers and go kick Comcasts and Time Warners asses. Netflix can prove damages right now. Sometimes I wonder if the only thing coming out of business schools these days are bunch of mealy mouthed scared pussies.
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