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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post



    There is nothing wrong with what his intent is, it is how he wishes to go about doing it that I oppose.
    And whats that? What would you do different? And how would you?


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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So why arent you in favor of net neutrality?
    I am in favor of businesses that rely on other businesses paying their fair share. The market will take care of the rest. This is being sold as a lie on the public by the moocher lobby. AOL's fall from the king of the internet happened precisely because consumers did not like the content walls they put up to favor their own system. In order to evolve to the fiberoptic everywhere system, companies like netflix and facebook need to pay for the privilege too. In addition, as I have already stated, there will be less content to stream if cable falls and the bandwidth hogs drown out competition already. The cloud will also never work well without expensive infrastructure improvements that still need to be built and paid for. You are effectively defending companies that do nothing but evade taxes on ill gotten profits because the idea of "neutrality" blinds you to the practical realities of how what is came to be and what could be will take to happen.

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And whats that? What would you do different? And how would you?
    What do you not understand about him wanting the FCC to treat it as a utility? That is not needed to accomplish net neutrality.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What do you not understand about him wanting the FCC to treat it as a utility? That is not needed to accomplish net neutrality.
    What is then? How do we achieve net neutrality?


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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I am in favor of businesses that rely on other businesses paying their fair share. The market will take care of the rest. This is being sold as a lie on the public by the moocher lobby. AOL's fall from the king of the internet happened precisely because consumers did not like the content walls they put up to favor their own system. In order to evolve to the fiberoptic everywhere system, companies like netflix and facebook need to pay for the privilege too. In addition, as I have already stated, there will be less content to stream if cable falls and the bandwidth hogs drown out competition already. The cloud will also never work well without expensive infrastructure improvements that still need to be built and paid for. You are effectively defending companies that do nothing but evade taxes on ill gotten profits because the idea of "neutrality" blinds you to the practical realities of how what is came to be and what could be will take to happen.
    Except one quick thing, if we dont let this happen they will essentially tell us what websites we can or cannot access, they can slow down various sites, they will literally dictate what sites we can or cannot visit. The (always) "invisible hand of the free market" will not dictat that, just like it has failed to dicate many things in the past.


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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't opposing net neutrality aimed squarely at Netflix, Hulu and YouTube for their bandwidth demands which far exceed all others.....now if you don't draw a line there we have a problem but I thought the left always wanted to soak the elites for us little guys?

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    How anyone who favors the internet as we know it right now is not in favor of this is beyond me! We need to protect the internet! We need to keep the internet neutral.
    I'm all for it.

    I just have some worries about how far the restrictions might go in order to ensure it.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Ted Cruz Lashes Out Against Net Neutrality, Calls It 'Obamacare For The Internet'

    Earlier Monday, Obama urged the Federal Communications Commission to "implement the strongest possible rules" to protect a free and open Internet in a video message and written statement.

    Cruz, who has openly opposed the FCC's role in modernizing telecommunications laws, responded to the president's statement on Twitter: "Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government. Cruz spokeswoman Amanda Carpenter echoed the senator in her own tweet, writing, "Net neutrality puts gov't in charge of determining pricing, terms of service, and what products can be delivered. Sound like Obamacare much?"

    The comparison isn't unprecedented, as a May opinion piece featured in the Wall Street Journal included the analogy. The author hammered down on the FCC's vote to open net neutrality rules for debate, saying the FCC would have to go to great lengths to "prevent chaos" in the new Internet market.....snip~

    Obama Urges FCC To Set 'Strongest Possible Rules' To Protect Net Neutrality


    This is BO peep also letting Comcast know he is putting a stop to their deal and goal to take over cable.....the FCC wont do it. The Repubs wont do it. Do you think it is a BO deflection to get eyes elsewhere other than on his screw ups and his Amnesty for Immigrants?

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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't opposing net neutrality aimed squarely at Netflix, Hulu and YouTube for their bandwidth demands which far exceed all others.....now if you don't draw a line there we have a problem but I thought the left always wanted to soak the elites for us little guys?
    It's almost like you turn every issue into a right/left thing even though this really concerns us all in the way that having safe drinking water concerns us all. It's almost like half the time you have no clue what you're talking about and you're just making it up as you go but only looking right or left on an issue. Net neutrality has nothing to do with Netflix, Hulu and YouTube. It has to do with advertisers treating all internet content the same way and not gouging their customer based on subjective notions of what they should pay for the actual content. So say for example whomever your provider is decides that they'll start charging for a "social package". Internet forums, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, instantly get bundled up in a neat little package and added to your internet bill for an extra $5 bucks. Why? No reason. Oh you don't use those websites? Fine. Say you use you use internet to purchase movies/music on iTunes. That needs to be downloaded. Great! That now becomes part of another bundle called "Entertainment". Say you play video games and use a service like Steam. That gets bundled up too and you get to pay more for using the same amount of data you were before.

    If nothing being said here makes you be a supporter of net neutrality, may I refer you to this idiot:

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    I'm sure you'll enjoy his talking points.
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    Re: President Tells F.C.C. to Ensure Open Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If nothing being said here makes you be a supporter of net neutrality, may I refer you to this idiot:

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    I'm sure you'll enjoy his talking points.
    Maybe the internet shouldn't operate at the speed of government - be damn slow if it did.

    But for DAMN sure it shouldn't operate at the speed a big corporation thinks it should, either.
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