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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    This is what I and most likely everyone else is referring to.

    You see that little ambiguous...not quite a statement...asked as a question...statement.
    And from that, you can honestly translate it as he believes rape should be tolerated?

    Good gawd.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    I have read Limbaugh's comments with context (which does not significantly change the meaning), and my view is that whether his comments condone rape is a matter of opinion. The comments can reasonably be taken to jusify activities that are arguably a form of rape. Much of the disputes with this issue are over where to draw the line as to when an activity becomes rape. Limbaugh's opinion differs from many other people's opinion. Those people can reasonably say that Limbaugh condones rape as they define it, and quite possibly as the law would currently define it. Limbaugh's point is that a perceptive person can tell whether "no" really means "no." The counter argument is that too often some people are not that perceptive (or don't care) and commit rapes.

    Because the question as to whether Limbaugh's comments "condone rape" is so subjective, in my opinion, it is not actionable libel or slander. Case dismissed at preliminary hearing.
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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    you have to take the whole statement, no where did he advocate rape, and by removing the context you change the meaning.
    I'm not the lawyer on the case...and I'm not going to invest time and energy to read every word Rush said on the issue.

    That is my free, 1 minute take on the issue. I'm not that invested in Rush's legal problems.


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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/us...suit.html?_r=0

    public figures can win defamation lawsuits

    it happens all the time

    this case....who knows.......
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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And from that, you can honestly translate it as he believes rape should be tolerated?

    Good gawd.
    It is like you did not even read what I posted. Go back and read what I posted. I made no investment in what Rush tolerates.


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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "In Price v. Stossel, the court held that, if a party accurately quotes ‘a statement actually made by a public figure, but presents the statement in a misleading context, thereby changing the viewer’s understanding of the speaker’s words,’ that constitutes defamation.”"
    The DCC did not do that. His statement has the same meaning both with the context and when taken alone. It can reasonable be interpretted as condoning rape.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Full context. There was nothing ambiguous about it:


    ""Consent must be freely given, can be withdrawn at any time, and the absence of 'no' does not mean 'yes.' How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that 'no' means 'yes' if you know how to spot it? Let me tell you something. In this modern world, that is simply not tolerated. People aren't even gonna try to understand that one. I mean, it used to be said it was a cliche. It used to be part of the advice young boys were given. See, that's what we gotta change. We have got to reprogram the way we raise men. Why do you think permission every step of the way, clearly spelling out 'why'... are all of these not lawsuits just waiting to happen if even one of these steps is not taken?"
    You claimed to provide full context, but left out a phrase that changes the whole nature of your quote.

    “Seduction used to be an art. Now, of course, it’s ‘brutish’ and it’s ‘predatory’ and it’s bad," "'consent must be freely given, and can be withdrawn anytime, and the absence of ‘no’ does not mean ‘yes.’ ....”

    If Rush's style of seduction is now considered brutish, predatory and bad, perhaps it is a bit too rapish.

    Also note the "" (double quote mark)- he was quoting the law or a summary of it, when he said the parts about consent. That doesn't mean he supports those provisions, since he makes clear that he at least partially opposes those new rules. Again, its all too ambiguous and subjective to prove libel or slander.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 11-10-14 at 05:30 PM.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I'm not the lawyer on the case...and I'm not going to invest time and energy to read every word Rush said on the issue.

    That is my free, 1 minute take on the issue. I'm not that invested in Rush's legal problems.
    Then quit spending your time arguing about something that you don't want to research and admit you just think Rush deserves anything he gets and has no rights just because you think he sucks.
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    I'm sorry that you feel the need to defame the Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton, and that democratic institutions mean so little to you.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I'm not the lawyer on the case...and I'm not going to invest time and energy to read every word Rush said on the issue.

    That is my free, 1 minute take on the issue. I'm not that invested in Rush's legal problems.


    Then your position is one of ignorance. No one asked you to read every word, and the paragraph was provided for you, yet you still close your eyes and ears to your prejudicial views.
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    Re: Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The DCC did not do that. His statement has the same meaning both with the context and when taken alone. It can reasonable be interpretted as condoning rape.


    That's not logical.
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