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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The Pros and Cons are far more extensive than that small consideration. I'm not saying it's all perfect or could've been, and there's only so much pie to go around. There's no way to reconcile both parties positions without some people getting hurt.
    It's true, someone's oxen always gets gored. But in making big moves like this, good leaders ensure it will at least benefit the majority of the affected.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I think we've known each other in a good way since I came here grip.
    This thread dovetails with the one I have on a Democratic "civil war".

    I don't find it ironic that this thread almost exclusively contains Republican posters.
    Posters still waging the 24/7/365 message war against the Democrats.

    This is all well and good--their right fought for by our Veterans--I just want them to know I know who and what they are.
    I plan on discussing "fixes" to my Democratic party with subsequent posts--"fixes" that our Republican friends certainly don't want to see.

    I am very proud of my Democratic brand and believe we are far better on the issues than the GOP.
    Thank you for starting this thread .

    One thing that a pundit on the cable News brought up that was significant to me is that the sudden changes of party control are cycling much faster than in the past, when one side would hold dominance for decades at a time before the national mood shifted. It shows that people are confused about what's happening and how it's getting done.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I think you touched on every major talking point put out by the left wing media. Congratulations.
    I agree that his first bullet is something of a talking point (That Democrats implemented many policies people believe haven't worked.) but two and three (their base generally doesn't vote during mid terms and that that's just how the American Political Pendulum swings) are more or less statements of historical fact.

    When Democrats come out in droves in 2016 to elect the first woman president and vote party line for Congressional candidates, again shifting the balance of power in Congress, these will be the reasons it happens.

    Mind you, I'm not looking forward to this eventuality, but if you don't see it coming you've been asleep for the past 25 years.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I think we've known each other in a good way since I came here grip.
    This thread dovetails with the one I have on a Democratic "civil war".

    I don't find it ironic that this thread almost exclusively contains Republican posters.
    Posters still waging the 24/7/365 message war against the Democrats.

    This is all well and good--their right fought for by our Veterans--I just want them to know I know who and what they are.
    I plan on discussing "fixes" to my Democratic party with subsequent posts--"fixes" that our Republican friends certainly don't want to see.

    I am very proud of my Democratic brand and believe we are far better on the issues than the GOP.
    Thank you for starting this thread .
    Well, with lots of help from the media, it's hard to argue Democrats are better on presenting issues. Your big challenge is actually demonstrating they provide results. In the big picture, for those who voted, it appeared the trend was towards a lack of faith they would.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I agree that his first bullet is something of a talking point (That Democrats implemented many policies people believe haven't worked.) but two and three (their base generally doesn't vote during mid terms and that that's just how the American Political Pendulum swings) are more or less statements of historical fact.

    When Democrats come out in droves in 2016 to elect the first woman president and vote party line for Congressional candidates, again shifting the balance of power in Congress, these will be the reasons it happens.

    Mind you, I'm not looking forward to this eventuality, but if you don't see it coming you've been asleep for the past 25 years.
    Hopefully the landscape is a-changin' and we, as a nation, are finally coming to our senses. We'll see.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    The leadership of the Democrat party are no less delusional than the President who claim to have "heard the people" and yet are proceeding as if they won big last Tuesday. And frankly, it's no less delusional than some on the right who claim their Presidential candidates aren't extreme enough - I haven't seen any conservative say they voted liberal because the conservative choice wasn't extreme right enough. Usually, what I hear, it's that the conservative candidate was too much up in the personal lifestyle and personal conduct of the electorate and not concerned enough with the economic wellbeing of the country and with getting government back to the base principles for which it was created.

    What should be clear, at least to Republicans, is that a lot of what is usually referred to as "moderates" in their Senate candidate ranks got elected or came surprisingly close. Virginia and New Hampshire weren't lost because the conservative candidate wasn't extreme enough - they were close and almost upsets because the conservative candidate was a social moderate. I hope enough conservatives and Republicans learned that lesson and carry it into the future.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Big review set by Democrats after election losses




    The Democrats were handed such big losses, because they've pushed the liberal agenda too hard. There weren't enough voters to counter the older and middle aged conservatives, who are afraid of the immigration issue, acceptance of LGBT community, social programs, legalization of marijuana, taxes and poor economic performance. Too much change, too soon got a lot of the older vote out, meaning the Dems need to slow their roll and find some middle ground. Obama's unpopularity and lack of response, especially on the recent News coverage of ISIS and Ebola hasn't helped. The Dems risk having no majorities or Presidency in 2016, if they don't learn to compromise on how hard they go left.. looking to pick up the swing vote from the middle.

    Both parties don't seem to realize that a majority of people are split or in the middle of many political issues, not to the extremes.


    That's a very valid assessment.

    I would add some aspects, that one, the Democrat "base" was not as large as they believed it to be in the first place. It was widely acknowledged at his victory that Obama had won by attracting 'new' voters, largely blacks and youth. They disappeared last week, leaving what I suspect was the core.

    Also, i suggest he has alienated those 'new' voters who won't likely be back easily or soon
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Hopefully the landscape is a-changin' and we, as a nation, are finally coming to our senses. We'll see.
    I look to reality TV as a barometer of national common sense.

    The more outrageous it gets the further away we are, as a people, from behaving rationally.

    When folks are walking the high wire between skyscrapers without a safety net or a harness and a guy is allowing himself to be "swallowed alive by a giant snake, after covering himself in pig’s blood while wearing a custom-built suit", I know we're a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong way off.

    At least Honey Boo Boo is gone... maybe that's a sign?
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I wouldn't say that necessarily,

    1) It's that they implemented many policies people believe haven't worked. can't blame them for that.

    2) Their base generally doesn't vote during mid terms

    3) thats just how the American Political Pendulum swings.

    I wouldn't say with the gridlock in congress that the Liberal Agenda has been pushed very hard, America is still the same old Fast Food consuming, gas guzzling, corporate oligarchy it's always been.

    There's alot of self congratulatory triumphalism among conservatives at the moment but I would remind them this now means they actually have to... you know... govern and it wasn't too long ago they were the ones being kicked out of congress on their ass. It will one day go the other way again.

    My advice is stop congratulating yourselves and start getting down to work, if you've got the chops to run this country better than the democrats, you better start quick.


    The guy on the losing end in an unquestionably historic defeat is giving advice to the victors.

    That, I suggest, is what's wrong with the Democratic party, they need to stop being better than everyone else.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    One thing that a pundit on the cable News brought up that was significant to me is that the sudden changes of party control are cycling much faster than in the past, when one side would hold dominance for decades at a time before the national mood shifted. It shows that people are confused about what's happening and how it's getting done.
    This may be true of the last two changes, in 2006 and 2014, but GOPs are now firmly in control of state apparatus--the key to a decades-long hold on power.

    With the dynamics of the way the House was remapped in 1990 and 2010;
    With the poor turnout of the DEM base in 1990, 1994, 2010 and 2014--Dems have a critical problem with a big tent that has offsetting values;

    GOP strategists are actually doing the Dems a huge favor on the National level helping them "fix" themselves since Dems haven't a clue;
    Just as Dems gloatingly did in 2012 for Republicans .
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