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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Honestly speak with some folks who didn't have insurance before Obamacare. It hasn't "worked" other than to increase premiums and decrease service for those who were already covered..
    The ACA has turned out to be a nice entitlement program. A means of making healthcare more affordable for those of us who didn't need the subsidies/handouts/insurance didn't happen.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    I'm not sure Obama knows how to compromise, even with his own party.
    The writing on the wall is with his pen and phone regarding immigration, a sure giveaway.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    The OP isn't complete.

    Do not discount the IRS calamity, as well as the actions of Holder and the DoJ. Add the federal actions and Obama comments on Trayvon Martin, the Benghazi debacle, the recent events in Ferguson and the administrations reaction, etc........

    Then you have a sea of lighter fluid surrounding the immigration issue, and BOOM, you have last Tuesday.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    "We know we're right" and "the American people believe in the causes we're fighting for" are both assumptions that can't be quantified. On most major issues (the ACA, taxes, etc.) the American people are divided. Even on things that shouldn't be political issues such as SSM and abortion, the American people are divided. You could probably only get the American people to overwhelmingly support certain things like "let's not have a repeat of 9/11" and "child molesters are bad people". Other than that you're looking at slightly over half approval and agreement with her statement on any given day.

    The Dems think government should be bigger and more powerful. Until that changes, I can't support them, generally speaking.
    Yes, I don't agree 100% with most of their positions, and probably almost half of the country is on the fence. Looking for fairness or a middle ground is where politicians succeed the best. The extremism responses are one upmanship in nature and emotionally based, not being reasonable. Neither side needs a large percentage of agreement to win seats, majorities or legislative votes.

    Don't fool yourself Republicans want power and control, they'll just accept it under the guise of giving their corporate supporters more leverage.




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    Very true. I suppose the only question right now is will the Republican congress concentrate on what the voters deem important or will they ignore them and try to push their agenda. I am betting on the latter.

    I don't know what they'll do, but they better try and look less like Dems or suffer a similar fate at the polls next time.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's caused some increases and coverage cuts for people who had good insurance. But not to the degree that was being predicted, and some of that can still be ironed out. Healthcare cannot be something that is only provided and works for the people who can afford it.
    And yet only 10-15% were previously uninsured. We could have easily choked up on that by just passing the no pre-existing conditions ban and kids being able to be covered under their parents' policies. All without the hubbub and in a bill anyone could read before voting on it.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And yet only 10-15% were previously uninsured. We could have easily choked up on that by just passing the no pre-existing conditions ban and kids being able to be covered under their parents' policies. All without the hubbub and in a bill anyone could read before voting on it.
    Obamacare was never about health care.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yes, I don't agree 100% with most of their positions, and probably almost half of the country is on the fence. Looking for fairness or a middle ground is where politicians succeed the best. The extremism responses are one upmanship in nature and emotionally based, not being reasonable. Neither side needs a large percentage of agreement to win seats, majorities or legislative votes.

    Don't fool yourself Republicans want power and control, they'll just accept it under the guise of giving their corporate supporters more leverage.







    I don't know what they'll do, but they better try and look less like Dems or suffer a similar fate at the polls next time.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Obamacare was never about health care.
    Yup...if it was about healthcare, the feds could have had a safety net in place for the 10% without up heaving the other 90% of the population to acquire it.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    No, she's went a little bananas lately for some reason.
    I actually like her and think she's, usually, pretty smart and reasonable, except around election time.
    I think we've known each other in a good way since I came here grip.
    This thread dovetails with the one I have on a Democratic "civil war".

    I don't find it ironic that this thread almost exclusively contains Republican posters.
    Posters still waging the 24/7/365 message war against the Democrats.

    This is all well and good--their right fought for by our Veterans--I just want them to know I know who and what they are.
    I plan on discussing "fixes" to my Democratic party with subsequent posts--"fixes" that our Republican friends certainly don't want to see.

    I am very proud of my Democratic brand and believe we are far better on the issues than the GOP.
    Thank you for starting this thread .
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And yet only 10-15% were previously uninsured. We could have easily choked up on that by just passing the no pre-existing conditions ban and kids being able to be covered under their parents' policies. All without the hubbub and in a bill anyone could read before voting on it.

    The Pros and Cons are far more extensive than that small consideration. I'm not saying it's all perfect or could've been, and there's only so much pie to go around. There's no way to reconcile both parties positions without some people getting hurt.
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