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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I think you touched on every major talking point put out by the left wing media. Congratulations.
    Is any of what I said untrue?

    I have bashed the democrats who have failed to lead effectively and basically said to the Republicans, ok, show us what you can do.

    But no, I suppose I didn't scream about freedom, god, and how the democrats are evil, therefore I'm using "Left wing talking points".

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Wasserman Schultz said in a video announcing the project. "We know we're right on the issues. The American people believe in the causes we're fighting for.

    That assumption right there may be the problem.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Very true, most of America is in the middle and not far right or left. I think 2010 results was because of the ACA, Americans like and will accept little steps, not one big belly splash. Then all the time the Democrats spent on healthcare, it was viewed by those in the middle as not spending that time on the economy and jobs. The American people elected Obama and the Democrats to fix the economy, dot dilly dally around with health care.

    2014 is still being mulled around. But as much as 2012 are an anti Romney referendum helped by foot in mouth disease by Aiken and Mourdock, 2014 was a show of dissatisfaction with Obama. All one has to do is look at the president's approval numbers both nationally and in the states that went Republican.

    My take on all of this. If you want a mandate and to remain in office do what the majority of people want you to do and do not do what the majority of the people don't want you to do. Govern center right or center left, not on the extreme edges. The number issue of most Americans is the economy, not immigration.

    Here: MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE? THE ECONOMY

    • 45 percent say the economy is the most important issue in their vote (out of four choices). That’s down from 2012 when 59 percent chose it and 2010, and 2008, when 63 percent said it was their top issue – but still a big number.

    • Half of voters expect life for the next generation of Americans to be worse, by far the most to say so in exit polls asking the question back to 1996.

    • Seven in 10 voters say the nation’s economy is in bad shape, fewer than in 2012, 2010 and 2008 -– but still seven in 10.

    • Voters by 78-21 percent are worried about the economy’s direction in the year ahead.

    For more:

    National Exit Poll Reveals Major Voter Discontent in Midterm Elections - ABC News

    If the Republicans want to be competitive for 2016 they will concentrate on fixing the economy, not immigration, ACA, or any other issue. Trying to push an Republican only agenda will lead to another voter revolt back to full Democratic control in 2016. So far neither party has learned its lesson.


    The ACA has actually worked better than all the nightmare scenarios the Republican agenda was forecasting. That kind of nay saying that turns out wrong doesn't help their overall cause. It makes them look like big business lovers at working peoples expense.

    Completely agree though that the extremists are starting to look crazy. They're emotional knee jerk reactions on important problems are sickeningly stupid and obstinate.

    It is still "The economy, stupid". No matter where you stand, it's not going to be well with empty pockets. The sudden drop in gas is being offset by rising food prices, so we never gain any financial traction.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    No, she's went a little bananas lately for some reason. I actually like her and think she's, usually, pretty smart and reasonable, except around election time.
    You may be right because people have obviously voted for her, but perhaps I've only seen her at election time. It is her coarseness and hyperbole that seems, to me, unworthy of high level politicians.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wasserman Schultz said in a video announcing the project. "We know we're right on the issues. The American people believe in the causes we're fighting for.

    That assumption right there may be the problem.
    It's not that the assumption is far off, it's the forcing it down peoples throats they don't like. I quit smoking but believe it should either be a choice, or phased out slowly over time. Sudden big pushes for change, even when they're right, are off putting.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The ACA has actually worked better than all the nightmare scenarios the Republican agenda was forecasting. That kind of nay saying that turns out wrong doesn't help their overall cause. It makes them look like big business lovers at working peoples expense.

    Completely agree though that the extremists are starting to look crazy. They're emotional knee jerk reactions on important problems are sickeningly stupid and obstinate.

    It is still "The economy, stupid". No matter where you stand, it's not going to be well with empty pockets. The sudden drop in gas is being offset by rising food prices, so we never gain any financial traction.
    Honestly speak with some folks who didn't have insurance before Obamacare. It hasn't "worked" other than to increase premiums and decrease service for those who were already covered..

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You may be right because people have obviously voted for her, but perhaps I've only seen her at election time. It is her coarseness and hyperbole that seems, to me, unworthy of high level politicians.

    Yeah, she's much more tuned down in between cycles. And she had a serious health scare recently, which might have turned up her desire to enact change before something happens?
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's not that the assumption is far off, it's the forcing it down peoples throats they don't like. I quit smoking but believe it should either be a choice, or phased out slowly over time. Sudden big pushes for change, even when they're right, are off putting.
    "We know we're right" and "the American people believe in the causes we're fighting for" are both assumptions that can't be quantified. On most major issues (the ACA, taxes, etc.) the American people are divided. Even on things that shouldn't be political issues such as SSM and abortion, the American people are divided. You could probably only get the American people to overwhelmingly support certain things like "let's not have a repeat of 9/11" and "child molesters are bad people". Other than that you're looking at slightly over half approval and agreement with her statement on any given day.

    The Dems think government should be bigger and more powerful. Until that changes, I can't support them, generally speaking.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The ACA has actually worked better than all the nightmare scenarios the Republican agenda was forecasting. That kind of nay saying that turns out wrong doesn't help their overall cause. It makes them look like big business lovers at working peoples expense.

    Completely agree though that the extremists are starting to look crazy. They're emotional knee jerk reactions on important problems are sickeningly stupid and obstinate.

    It is still "The economy, stupid". No matter where you stand, it's not going to be well with empty pockets. The sudden drop in gas is being offset by rising food prices, so we never gain any financial traction.
    Very true. I suppose the only question right now is will the Republican congress concentrate on what the voters deem important or will they ignore them and try to push their agenda. I am betting on the latter.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Honestly speak with some folks who didn't have insurance before Obamacare. It hasn't "worked" other than to increase premiums and decrease service for those who were already covered..
    It's caused some increases and coverage cuts for people who had good insurance. But not to the degree that was being predicted, and some of that can still be ironed out. Healthcare cannot be something that is only provided and works for the people who can afford it.
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