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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yours is circular reasoning, that's the problem. "You are paid this much, therefore your work is this valuable." It's incorrect, based on some weird fairy tale universe where everything is fair and everyone is paid what they "deserve," no more, no less.
    Do you have an alternative method that may be sustainable over the long term??

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you have an alternative method that may be sustainable over the long term??
    Of course he does. All pinkos do. Make sure people get paid whatever the government thinks is right. What the employer and employee want and agree to is never as important or right as what liberals want and demand.</sarcasm>
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

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    The Democrats were handed such big losses, because they've pushed the liberal agenda too hard. There weren't enough voters to counter the older and middle aged conservatives, who are afraid of the immigration issue, acceptance of LGBT community, social programs, legalization of marijuana, taxes and poor economic performance. Too much change, too soon got a lot of the older vote out, meaning the Dems need to slow their roll and find some middle ground. Obama's unpopularity and lack of response, especially on the recent News coverage of ISIS and Ebola hasn't helped. The Dems risk having no majorities or Presidency in 2016, if they don't learn to compromise on how hard they go left.. looking to pick up the swing vote from the middle.

    Both parties don't seem to realize that a majority of people are split or in the middle of many political issues, not to the extremes.
    It seems pretty clear to me that liberals are not learning from their mistakes on this. Not the easy way, at least. That's OK. IT just means they'll get another lesson from the school of hard knocks in 2016, which suits me fine.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It seems pretty clear to me that liberals are not learning from their mistakes on this. Not the easy way, at least. That's OK. IT just means they'll get another lesson from the school of hard knocks in 2016, which suits me fine.
    I actually see both parties becoming more extreme, with the republicans becoming more fractured. It seems when one side or the other gets a majority, they get cocky and overestimate their position.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yours is circular reasoning, that's the problem. "You are paid this much, therefore your work is this valuable."

    It's incorrect, based on some weird fairy tale universe where everything is fair and everyone is paid what they "deserve," no more, no less.
    What is fair and what is not is up to individual opinion and therefore can not be used to measure anything in an objective manner. How wages are determined is not based on what you believe is fair or what I believe is fair, but by market forces and individual efforts of those involved in the process. There are those jobs where the supply is low and those looking for the work can demand higher wages, and those jobs where the supply is very large and those involved have no real power to gain higher wages. There is nothing about the process that demands wages be in a certain range or even that wages have to be able to survive on. That is simply your ideology speaking that only speaks towards government coercion, not voluntary interaction.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You wanted to assign value to people's work for the purposes of compensation. Which part of the question was confusing for you?
    Your labor has a certain value to those interested in acquiring it. Sorry, but wages are determined by value.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wasserman Schultz said in a video announcing the project. "We know we're right on the issues. The American people believe in the causes we're fighting for.

    That assumption right there may be the problem.
    Which, in the wake of historical losses, demonstrates that she, the head of the party is seriously out of touch
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Which, in the wake of historical losses, demonstrates that she, the head of the party is seriously out of touch
    As if we needed confirmation of this fact to begin with .
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your labor has a certain value to those interested in acquiring it. Sorry, but wages are determined by value.
    On what basis and who should make that value determination?

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    On what basis and who should make that value determination?
    What better basis can there possibly be, than a voluntary agreement made between someone who has labor to sell, and someone who wishes to buy that labor?
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