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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If the country is on the brink of bankruptcy in 2016 like it was under GWB in 2012, you might have a point...and Obama fatigue may kick in. I doubt that the country will be anywhere near the horrible shape it was in under GWB when Obama leaves it to the next woman.
    I am sure Obama fatigue has set in and it probably started about a year and a half ago. But even if it has it doesn’t mean he can’t turn it around. Reagan and Clinton were able to throw it off and recover nicely and both had an excellent last two years. Bush the second wasn’t able to turn it around, Bush fatigue continued until he left the presidency. But you will can tell if Obama is successful or not by watching his approval numbers and party affiliation. To show you what I mean about fatigue setting in compare his approval numbers to a year and a half ago to today:

    National Average Then 53% Today 40% minus 13 points
    Republican Then 13% Today 7% minus 6 points
    Democrat Then 90% Today 78% minus 12 points
    Independent Then 47% Today 36% minus 11 points

    Party Affiliation
    Democrat Then 35% Now 29% minus 6
    Republican Then 30% Now 26 % minus 4
    Independent Then 32% Now 43% plus 11 points

    It would take several pages to explain why the above happened. Waste of time and energy. But both Reagan and Clinton turned figures like around and both finished in the 60’s at the end of their presidency. Bush the second didn’t and dropped down into the upper 20’s at the end of his presidency. If Obama approval and party affiliation drops, the Democrats will have a very hard time in 2016, if he turns it around and throws off voter Obama fatigue and those figures rise, the Democrats will be easy victors.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    I think a lot of people are like me in that they think it doesn't matter who is in Washington because it makes very little difference in their personal life. Take me:

    I am 38 year old male Sr. Systems Administrator that works for a good company. I have a wife, 3 kids, dogs, a home, and am an avid outdoorsman, runner, and cyclist.

    Now, lets look at the issues of our time today:

    1. The ACA.
    I had insurance through my employer. The same with my wife. The ACA changed nothing about our insurance situation positive or negative. The only positive out of it for us is that 2 of our kids were adopted special needs, and thus preexisting conditions will not exclude them from the insurance market if they ever are in the individual market.

    2. Abortion.
    I am a guy, I won't ever get an abortion.

    3. Same Sex Marriage.
    I am a married heterosexual man, it makes no difference at all in my life.

    4. Defense.
    I am getting too old to serve anyway, even if I wanted to quit my job and go out and sign up.

    5. Cultural issues.
    Its all background noise to me. We haven't been church goers for quite some time now, so I just don't get motivated by things like "the war on Christmas" and other ginned up crap.

    6. Anthropogenic Global Warming.
    I accept the science and am concerned about it, but its not like we are ever going to do really anything about it regardless of who is in office. So might as well accept that in a few generations its going to be a much warmer world.

    My point is to the average middle class to upper middle class Joe, what difference does it make in their life which party controls Washington? To me Washington is this model of disfunction, where little ever gets accomplished and what does is usually a bureaucratic mess because of all that has to be added to it to assemble enough votes to pass it. Hell the main reason I tend to support Democrats over the Republicans at the federal level is the Democrats are much more supportive of public lands and wilderness. I mean how pathetic is that, that our government is so dysfunctional that public lands is the dividing issue for me.

    This is what kills the Democrats in the midterms, they are the party of the federal government and the federal government is a dysfunctional mess that makes little difference in most people's lives.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think a lot of people are like me in that they think it doesn't matter who is in Washington because it makes very little difference in their personal life. Take me:

    I am 38 year old male Sr. Systems Administrator that works for a good company. I have a wife, 3 kids, dogs, a home, and am an avid outdoorsman, runner, and cyclist.

    Now, lets look at the issues of our time today:

    1. The ACA.
    I had insurance through my employer. The same with my wife. The ACA changed nothing about our insurance situation positive or negative. The only positive out of it for us is that 2 of our kids were adopted special needs, and thus preexisting conditions will not exclude them from the insurance market if they ever are in the individual market.

    2. Abortion.
    I am a guy, I won't ever get an abortion.

    3. Same Sex Marriage.
    I am a married heterosexual man, it makes no difference at all in my life.

    4. Defense.
    I am getting too old to serve anyway, even if I wanted to quit my job and go out and sign up.

    5. Cultural issues.
    Its all background noise to me. We haven't been church goers for quite some time now, so I just don't get motivated by things like "the war on Christmas" and other ginned up crap.

    6. Anthropogenic Global Warming.
    I accept the science and am concerned about it, but its not like we are ever going to do really anything about it regardless of who is in office. So might as well accept that in a few generations its going to be a much warmer world.

    My point is to the average middle class to upper middle class Joe, what difference does it make in their life which party controls Washington? To me Washington is this model of disfunction, where little ever gets accomplished and what does is usually a bureaucratic mess because of all that has to be added to it to assemble enough votes to pass it. Hell the main reason I tend to support Democrats over the Republicans at the federal level is the Democrats are much more supportive of public lands and wilderness. I mean how pathetic is that, that our government is so dysfunctional that public lands is the dividing issue for me.

    This is what kills the Democrats in the midterms, they are the party of the federal government and the federal government is a dysfunctional mess that makes little difference in most people's lives.

    You should re-evaluate your position on AGW.

    You seem like a smart enough guy. There's no " science " that backs the existence of Man made Global warming.

    There's allot of lies, including the NOAA's blatant alteration of temperature data to " prove " the earths warming, when its not

    And the Australian Bureau of Meteorology that essentially got busted doing the samw thing.

    The only thing the pro-agw people have to prove it exist are computer models that use fudged data to arrive at a predetermined conclusion.

    That's not " Science ". Thats fraud. Science has nothing to do with " consensus ".

    As for the election, the American people voters are sick of being lied to by Democrats.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think a lot of people are like me in that they think it doesn't matter who is in Washington because it makes very little difference in their personal life. Take me:

    I am 38 year old male Sr. Systems Administrator that works for a good company. I have a wife, 3 kids, dogs, a home, and am an avid outdoorsman, runner, and cyclist.

    Now, lets look at the issues of our time today:

    1. The ACA.
    I had insurance through my employer. The same with my wife. The ACA changed nothing about our insurance situation positive or negative. The only positive out of it for us is that 2 of our kids were adopted special needs, and thus preexisting conditions will not exclude them from the insurance market if they ever are in the individual market.

    2. Abortion.
    I am a guy, I won't ever get an abortion.

    3. Same Sex Marriage.
    I am a married heterosexual man, it makes no difference at all in my life.

    4. Defense.
    I am getting too old to serve anyway, even if I wanted to quit my job and go out and sign up.

    5. Cultural issues.
    Its all background noise to me. We haven't been church goers for quite some time now, so I just don't get motivated by things like "the war on Christmas" and other ginned up crap.

    6. Anthropogenic Global Warming.
    I accept the science and am concerned about it, but its not like we are ever going to do really anything about it regardless of who is in office. So might as well accept that in a few generations its going to be a much warmer world.

    My point is to the average middle class to upper middle class Joe, what difference does it make in their life which party controls Washington? To me Washington is this model of disfunction, where little ever gets accomplished and what does is usually a bureaucratic mess because of all that has to be added to it to assemble enough votes to pass it. Hell the main reason I tend to support Democrats over the Republicans at the federal level is the Democrats are much more supportive of public lands and wilderness. I mean how pathetic is that, that our government is so dysfunctional that public lands is the dividing issue for me.

    This is what kills the Democrats in the midterms, they are the party of the federal government and the federal government is a dysfunctional mess that makes little difference in most people's lives.
    Soooo, apathy is a good thing?

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Soooo, apathy is a good thing?
    It's a good thing for Republicans in midterm elections. However it's not a good thing for Democrats. That was my point in all that.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's a good thing for Republicans in midterm elections. However it's not a good thing for Democrats. That was my point in all that.
    I was speaking of your apathy specifically.

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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    I think most people feel the way I do. Regardless of who wins my life goes on as it had.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    The Dems lost because they ran their campaigns like little bitches. They ran afraid and actively tried to scare their voters into going to the polls. Fear doesn't work the same on Dems as it does with Republicans.

    Run on what you will do and address reality.
    A man without fear is a fool, a man that succumbs to his fear is a coward and a brave man acknowledges fear yet presses on.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think most people feel the way I do. Regardless of who wins my life goes on as it had.
    And you still have a dog.

    PS I liked your post. I learned a lot about you.
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    Re: Big review set by Democrats after election losses

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The GOP would have already HAD the Senate if they hadn't run the Whackadoodle Brigade in 2010.

    Angle, O'Donnell, Joe Miller in Alaska and Ken Buck in Colorado all were Tea Party nutters who lost extremely winnable races in 2010 due to the fact that they were loony tunes. Add those four seats and it would have been a 51-47 Republican advantage.
    Oh ****, I forgot about Joe Miller. Now that guy was a nutcase. I don't really remember Ken Buck...I have to Google him.

    You are 100% right and we're in agreement. The GOP had a big chance to catch the Senate but they ran what were arguably the worst candidates they could find. I think that was a mistake they realized too late for them, and they decided not to try it again. Much better pool of candidates in 2014.
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