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Thread: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    With a few exceptions, this is already the case. The reason there isn't much competition isn't government regulation, it's the realities of infrastructure on this scale. The cost to build a network like this is enormous, and there are limitations of physical space. You have to dig up streets to lay cable in an area. Can just anyone dig up the street at any time? Is that what we want?

    Like electricity and water, there are physical problems with having real competition in internet infrastructure. Free markets work best, but not every service can actually function as a free market.
    That is because the government helped put in place the system we have today. If the government was not involved in the process or at the very least considered the price tag when they did it perhaps the industry could easily be competitive.

    Perhaps the government should take into account what the market can support without their assistance when they build something. You know, just throwing that out there. Now that they did what they usually do, which is act like a bunch of ****ing idiots that don't understand jack **** about basic things like what makes an industry viable, we have an industry completely unworkable in the private sector. GG dumb****s.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is because the government helped put in place the system we have today. If the government was not involved in the process or at the very least considered the price tag when they did it perhaps the industry could easily be competitive.

    Perhaps the government should take into account what the market can support without their assistance when they build something. You know, just throwing that out there.
    No, the industry cannot easily be competitive. It takes billions to build an ISP network.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, the industry cannot easily be competitive. It takes billions to build an ISP network.
    No ****. That was my entire point.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No ****. That was my entire point.
    It doesn't cost billions to start an ISP because of any government action.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It doesn't cost billions to start an ISP because of any government action.
    Who do you think helped to put the network in place? Hint: The government.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Who do you think helped to put the network in place? Hint: The government.
    And that magically makes it more expensive to dig up thousands of miles of dirt to lay cables?

    Unless your less-expensive alternative is "not have an internet."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And that magically makes it more expensive to dig up thousands of miles of dirt to lay cables?

    Unless your less-expensive alternative is "not have an internet."
    Jesus. Who said anything about an alternative? I'm saying the network is nonsense as it is completely unworkable for anyone but the government to build. If you want competition in an industry it would help to not put in place networks that have a price tag only government can afford.

    Simply put, If the price tag is outside anyone's range in the private sector your network sucks.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Increasing the capacity of a network is not an inexpensive thing.
    True. But as people rely on the Internet for more services, and more real-time services (streaming video, VOIP etc), they're going to have to increase that capacity anyway.


    They just may have a situation where they can't afford to increase their network capacity.
    They don't. Comcast and Verizon in particular have some pretty fat margins. Smaller ISPs, that don't run their own VOD services, will have to increase bandwidth anyway to keep up.


    Again, you aren't going to get 10 lbs of crap through a 5 lbs pipe. Bandwidth abusers, those who ruin it for everyone else, should be throttled back somewhat. It's called managing your network resources to maintain the greatest number of satisfied customers.
    This isn't really about traffic shaping for user data management. It's about companies like Comcast or Verizon throttling and/or extorting money out of direct competitors, like streaming video or VOIP services.


    Yes, Comcast, AT&T U-Verse, and a few others are the largest ones, but there are a lot of smaller ones too.
    You sure about that? Apparently the top 17 cable/telco companies have 93% of the US broadband market. And I've gotta say, I have some doubts that WOW will have much luck pushing around Netflix, with its 740k subscriber base.




    Suffice it to say, this sounds like the government suffering from the delusion that they can manage an ISPs network better than the ISP can themselves....
    Or, it's about making sure the cable companies don't stack the deck in favor of their own phone and VOD services.

    Plus, this isn't a government idea. Techies and private citizens have been pushing this idea for years for at least 8 years now, and it's pretty much how the Internet was developed.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Some Republicans will oppose this...simply because Obama supports it.
    I support a free internet. I need to brush up on what the implications are if the internet becomes a title II and is regulated as a public utility. Does that mean the FCC can censor shows like it does with the radio?
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by dogtowner View Post
    What he really said was to reclassify the internet as a public utility. Or seize control of it.
    I find it odd that he was perfectly good with giving away authority but now wants it.
    If you think this is a boon you really need to think a little harder.
    The internet has become or is becoming a utility. Like water and electricity, there are fewer and fewer businesses that can function without internet access. Cash registers are often connected in order to monitor inventory and sales. Can you imagine an office environment without internet?
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