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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Yes it can, and it would do a better job. Lower prices, more competition, higher quality.
    A co-worker of mine - his son died in a regional jet crash. It turned out rules for things like how long pilots had to sleep before flights and training/experience requirements were a lot looser than for the bigger jets. Airlines hadn't bothered toughening up their rules.

    My friend and the families of others aboard the plane lobbied hard, and got the regulations tightened up. Because federal regulations are now tighter, those regional jets are a lot safer. The airlines didn't step up to that.

    I admire your faith in the power of the market. But sadly it's misplaced. We do have more competition and lower prices since the deregulation of the airlines. But safety would have been compromised for profits if not for regulations in my opinion.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I can't. But I can make my opinions known to my representatives who can enforce fees.

    Not getting all schools good broadband access means you are hobbling the group of students in the schools that can't afford it. They already have plenty of strikes against them.

    And yes, I am sorry that you think helping out kids in poor schools is a bad use of your tax dollars. That means, in my opinion, that you have a set of values I don't agree with and I think you would be better off if you were more compassionate. So I am sorry for you.
    THats a false conclusion. Being against wealth redistribution does not mean someone is against kids.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    A co-worker of mine - his son died in a regional jet crash. It turned out rules for things like how long pilots had to sleep before flights and training/experience requirements were a lot looser than for the bigger jets. Airlines hadn't bothered toughening up their rules.

    My friend and the families of others aboard the plane lobbied hard, and got the regulations tightened up. Because federal regulations are now tighter, those regional jets are a lot safer. The airlines didn't step up to that.

    I admire your faith in the power of the market. But sadly it's misplaced. We do have more competition and lower prices since the deregulation of the airlines. But safety would have been compromised for profits if not for regulations in my opinion.
    Agree to disagree. Its pretty clear that govt regulation has not made things better, in all areas of life. It simply raised the cost and stifled innovation.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Agree to disagree. Its pretty clear that govt regulation has not made things better, in all areas of life. It simply raised the cost and stifled innovation.
    That seems woefully simplistic. One of the most burdensome and expensive set of regulations deals with IP and patent law. Patenting an idea is extremely expensive and time consuming. Having to wade through all of it certainly stifles innovation. Maybe it should be reformed, but no one who innovates would support removing patents.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    That seems woefully simplistic. One of the most burdensome and expensive set of regulations deals with IP and patent law. Patenting an idea is extremely expensive and time consuming. Having to wade through all of it certainly stifles innovation. Maybe it should be reformed, but no one who innovates would support removing patents.
    Of course its simplistic, but it proves the point. Govt regulating the internet will end up just like government regulating property. Or air travel, or healthcare, or space. It will make it less frequent. The solution is to keep regulation as minimal as possible. Not to have the FCC involved in everything. The internet is what it is because govt has largely stayed out of it. Its the wild west.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Of course its simplistic, but it proves the point. Govt regulating the internet will end up just like government regulating property. Or air travel, or healthcare, or space. It will make it less frequent. The solution is to keep regulation as minimal as possible. Not to have the FCC involved in everything. The internet is what it is because govt has largely stayed out of it. Its the wild west.
    I don't think it proves the point at all. I just gave an example of one of the most painful instances of regulation. Yet no one would want to do away with patent law.

    The quote "if you regulate something you'll get less of it" may be a good talking point, but it's certainly not true. There are good regulations and bad regulations. FDIC? Auto insurance mandates? Without these you'd certainly have fewer cars and deposits.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I don't think it proves the point at all. I just gave an example of one of the most painful instances of regulation. Yet no one would want to do away with patent law.

    The quote "if you regulate something you'll get less of it" may be a good talking point, but it's certainly not true. There are good regulations and bad regulations. FDIC? Auto insurance mandates? Without these you'd certainly have fewer cars and deposits.
    And something better in its place.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And something better in its place.
    Like Mad Max?

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Like Mad Max?

    ROFL! good one!

    Yeah, I'm thinking jonny5 wouldn't actually enjoy a world without govt regulations as much as he thinks he would

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    ROFL! good one!

    Yeah, I'm thinking jonny5 wouldn't actually enjoy a world without govt regulations as much as he thinks he would
    Im thinking you guys make a lot of emotional appeals and snark but are short on facts and logic.

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