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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    There you go, you have options. And how is it my problem that you choose to live in a rural area? Why should I pay for the FCCs 100million project to bring broadband to rural areas?

    Rural Broadband Experiments | FCC.gov
    Um, I don't think quitting my job so I can go with satellite is really a viable option, personally.

    My point wasn't to complain about having one option - it was an example of how in too many places there IS only one option, so if my ISP started throttling traffic from a site (for example, this one) I don't have a way to say "I'm going elsewhere".

    Luckily, as far as I know, my ISP plans to keep net neutrality. It's a good ISP, though small. Not like Comcast and the others that serve the large cities...

    In terms of rural broadband, my taxes go for all sorts of projects that don't benefit me. Highways in major metropolitan areas? why do I have to pay for them? they don't benefit me. Pay for your own highways if you're tired of congestion! you chose to live in that area - deal with the traffic or leave!

    See how that works?

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The longer and harder the conflict goes on, the more both businesses damage themselves.
    ...and to their customers. But who cares about that?


    Once the government has it's hands in and on the Internet, in the form regulations, it'll never leave, or get out of it, and the government has proven itself far from being honest and trustworthy, especially this president, this administration and this congress.


    I know, we've been over this before. However, the FCC has been regulating the airwaves for 80 years, and their regulatory role has not turned them into an arm of censorship.


    I can imagine a back door mandate to block or slow down political opponents content. The recent Gruber videos? Undeliverable.


    C'mon, man. Let's get real. The FCC is not going to order ISPs to cause congestion on YouTube because of a video that's embarrassing to the President. Net neutrality is not going to turn US into China.


    The government has a track record of doing this.
    No, they really don't.

    Unless of course you're incapable of viewing the federal government as some superbly integrated behemoth, where one federal agency that doesn't require any sort of access to classified information knows all about the most secret wiretapping programs operated by the NSA....


    Telephone and mobile carriers are classified the same way, right? How often has the government demanded data from them and hidden it?
    The FCC was not involved, in any way shape or form, with the warrantless wiretapping. That was the NSA asking those companies to assist their surveillance efforts, and most (but not all) complied.

    Oh, and a bunch of those taps? They were done on phones -- AND on Internet communications. Or do you imagine the NSA told AT&T "we'd like our own records of all the data flowing through your SF center, but just give us the phones, we won't collect Internet data because the FCC doesn't classify it as a utility." Yeesh

    Classifying the Internet as a utility is not going to have any effect whatsoever on how law enforcement or surveillance operates. Net neutrality is most certainly not a privacy or surveillance issue.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So the government is helping to provide a higher quality, lower cost option that the free market can't beat yet?

    It's not about "need," right? If an alternative was of superior value, people would go with that even if they didn't "need" to. Get me something with the same speed and reliability at less cost, and absolutely I'll switch to that. I'll even accept a little bit slower at a greatly reduced cost, more bang for my buck.





    And let me know when a substantial alternative appears in the market instead of a laboratory.
    All of those are such examples that private companies innovated.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, seriously, airlines shouldn't have regulations regarding pilot duty times and recurrent training?
    Not federal regulations, no.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Um, I don't think quitting my job so I can go with satellite is really a viable option, personally.

    My point wasn't to complain about having one option - it was an example of how in too many places there IS only one option, so if my ISP started throttling traffic from a site (for example, this one) I don't have a way to say "I'm going elsewhere".

    Luckily, as far as I know, my ISP plans to keep net neutrality. It's a good ISP, though small. Not like Comcast and the others that serve the large cities...

    In terms of rural broadband, my taxes go for all sorts of projects that don't benefit me. Highways in major metropolitan areas? why do I have to pay for them? they don't benefit me. Pay for your own highways if you're tired of congestion! you chose to live in that area - deal with the traffic or leave!

    See how that works?
    And what happens to your ISP when everyone stops paying them? See how that works? The purpose of govt is not to create competition, it is ony to provide a safe atmosphere for YOU to.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Another perfect example of what you get with regulation.

    FCC seeks higher phone fees to fund broadband Internet in schools | TheHill

    1.5bn more in taxes, to redistribute broadband to low income areas.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Not federal regulations, no.

    Really? You're going to make airlines - that operate in pretty much every state - have to follow state regulations that can very widely? and you'd make states ahve to have the expertise to determine all the rules?

    So if Alaska says a pilot can fly for 10 hours and Missouri says 8 - what's an airline to do?

    Flight regulations are a key example of what needs to be regulated at a federal level.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Another perfect example of what you get with regulation.

    FCC seeks higher phone fees to fund broadband Internet in schools | TheHill

    1.5bn more in taxes, to redistribute broadband to low income areas.
    Works for me. Why should kids in poor areas be disadvantaged by slow broadband?

    And before you whine about people can move - do you like having food? might not want to empty out the rural areas. Also, why should any money from rural people go to funding highway expansion in metropolitan areas? Those people in the cities can move out.

    The funding also benefits urban schools. So all those kids that will be applying for jobs - they need good broadband just like kids in rich districts.
    Last edited by paddymcdougall; 11-17-14 at 04:29 PM. Reason: misread initial post.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Works for me. Why should kids in poor areas be disadvantaged by slow broadband?

    And before you whine about people can move - do you like having food? might not want to empty out the rural areas. Also, why should any money from rural people go to funding highway expansion in metropolitan areas? Those people in the cities can move out.

    The funding also benefits urban schools. So all those kids that will be applying for jobs - they need good broadband just like kids in rich districts.
    So you've been fooled into thinking the Government distributes ANYTHING then ?

    That these tax increases gobwhere they lying Politicians tell you they're going to go ?
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Really? You're going to make airlines - that operate in pretty much every state - have to follow state regulations that can very widely? and you'd make states ahve to have the expertise to determine all the rules?

    So if Alaska says a pilot can fly for 10 hours and Missouri says 8 - what's an airline to do?

    Flight regulations are a key example of what needs to be regulated at a federal level.
    Why even state regulations? The industry can regulate itself.

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