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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/te...ality-fcc.html

    I am absolutely for this. This will allow the little guy the same access as the big guy. Great stuff.
    What the hell is this? He's been President for six years and this has been an issue that has roiled during his Presidency. He waits until his administration is at its weakest to issue an opinion? He acts like he's just an informed observer... he's the President! There should be more than a damn casual opinion. This is another disappointment in a long list of disappointments.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What the hell is this? He's been President for six years and this has been an issue that has roiled during his Presidency. He waits until his administration is at its weakest to issue an opinion? He acts like he's just an informed observer... he's the President! There should be more than a damn casual opinion. This is another disappointment in a long list of disappointments.
    He found out about it in the news like everyone else. At least he is going on record.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Currently, receipt of high-speed broadband requires more power and stronger equipment in our homes, which is more expensive, and we pay for that.

    When it comes to sending of high-speed broadband, does that not require more power and stronger equipment at the provider .. and isn't that more expensive for the provider?

    If so, who's supposed to pay for that?

    The provider?

    Or the distributing user?

    And, if not the distributing user, doesn't the provider eventually charge someone else to compensate?

    Is this whole issue simply another "rob Peter to pay Paul" argument?

    Are net neutrality supporters simply saying that they'd rather see the end-consumer in our homes pay for everything in our service rates rather than pay less and have the distributors pay more because they're afraid providers will slow down the speed we do pay for based on how much the distributor of content pays the provider?

    Shouldn't the issue be that providers can't slow down what we the end-counsumer pay for for any reason?

    I'm not sure the real argument here is framed right.

    Though if there are multiple providers, I'd hate to think of the hassle it would be for distributing users to find all the providers and pay them this or that amount of money.

    One day we may just have to have multiple providers in our homes to get all the content we get today.

    I hope this issue works out in the best interest of the end-consumer.
    Net neutrality works out in the best interest of the end-consumer.

    Removing net neutrality works out in the best interest of the ISP, at the expense of customers and content-creators.

    So, you tell me whether you want to fight for Comcast or for That Guy With The Next Facebook Idea.

    Here's the thing: You seem to be talking about net neutrality. "The ISP can't slow down what the user pays for for any reason." That's literally what net neutrality is. The end-user already paid for that bandwidth, why on earth should the ISP be able to charge extra for 10 gigabytes of Youtube instead of 10 gigabytes of Netflix? It doesn't cost them any more to deliver Youtube data than it does to deliver Netflix data.

    edit: I suppose it's not technically "any reason," as ISPs are still allowed to throttle traffic as required to preserve the network capacity for other users. They just can't throttle one type of traffic selectively. Also, unlawful traffic is not covered. They can throttle or block pirated material or child porn or whatever, I doubt you'll see complaints there.

    edit2: The distributor is already paying for traffic, by the way. Netflix spends a crapload of money to upload their content from Netflix servers to whichever user is watching that video. Similarly, when I run my Little Home Business Website I pay the ISP to transfer data from my server to users.

    edit3: Sadly, there are physical and financial limitations to real competition among ISPs, which is part of why Net Neutrality is so important. If Sony makes a crappy, overpriced television, I can buy a Samsung. Free market works great under these circumstances. But redundant ISPs aren't so easy. It involves billions of dollars invested in laying cable, digging up streets, etc. The only significant New Competition in the ISP market lately has been Google. That's how big of a company you need to already be in order to break into the ISP business. Freaking Google.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Net neutrality works out in the best interest of the end-consumer.

    Removing net neutrality works out in the best interest of the ISP, at the expense of customers and content-creators.

    So, you tell me whether you want to fight for Comcast or for That Guy With The Next Facebook Idea.

    edit3: Sadly, there are physical and financial limitations to real competition among ISPs, which is part of why Net Neutrality is so important. If Sony makes a crappy, overpriced television, I can buy a Samsung. Free market works great under these circumstances. But redundant ISPs aren't so easy. It involves billions of dollars invested in laying cable, digging up streets, etc. The only significant New Competition in the ISP market lately has been Google. That's how big of a company you need to already be in order to break into the ISP business. Freaking Google.
    well said on who do you want to fight for! net neutrality is definitely best for end consumers.

    In terms of competition - I live in a rural area; I have only DSL (no cable out as far as I go) at a blazing fast 4.5 mg download. (Ironic statement there). My option is satellite, but we download/upload too much stuff for satellite. I'm thinking about getting Dish Network as an add-on for certain purposes - still only 10 mg download, and over $600 more a year...

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/te...ality-fcc.html

    I am absolutely for this. This will allow the little guy the same access as the big guy. Great stuff.


    Obama talking about neutrality in the media!



    Right, neutrality to this guy is banning his "enemies" from publication.

    Only Obama would be so arrogant as try to legislate "neutrality" as if its something that can be quantified. Did he even go to college?
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    The best ting the gov can do to "protect" the consumer is allow all ISP's to compete in all markets. Right now in most cities, you have exactly one to choose from.


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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    ^^

    The companies are attempting to screw the consumers and the startups. As startups will not have the funding to purchase the high speed lane, they will deliver their information more slowly, making it less likely they will be used.

    Here a quick video on net neutrality.

    Here's a rather humorous comic The Oatmeal just did on Net Neutrality: Dear Senator Ted Cruz, I'm going to explain to you how Net Neutrality ACTUALLY works - The Oatmeal
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Obama talking about neutrality in the media!



    Right, neutrality to this guy is banning his "enemies" from publication.

    Only Obama would be so arrogant as try to legislate "neutrality" as if its something that can be quantified. Did he even go to college?
    I don't think you understand what net neutrality is.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/te...ality-fcc.html

    I am absolutely for this. This will allow the little guy the same access as the big guy. Great stuff.
    Some Republicans will oppose this...simply because Obama supports it.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The best ting the gov can do to "protect" the consumer is allow all ISP's to compete in all markets. Right now in most cities, you have exactly one to choose from.


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    With a few exceptions, this is already the case. The reason there isn't much competition isn't government regulation, it's the realities of infrastructure on this scale. The cost to build a network like this is enormous, and there are limitations of physical space. You have to dig up streets to lay cable in an area. Can just anyone dig up the street at any time? Is that what we want?

    Like electricity and water, there are physical problems with having real competition in internet infrastructure. Free markets work best, but not every service can actually function as a free market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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