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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Government regulations hardly ever enable a competitive market, they create monopolies. I don't think that these Net Neutrality regulations will do so either. Better, I think, to allow market forces to determine this outcome.
    Really? So, the internet wasn't competitive under net neutrality?
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really? So, the internet wasn't competitive under net neutrality?
    Yes. Historically, government regulation creates and enables monopolies in the form of crony capitalism, which is just government subsidized monopolies.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yes. Historically, government regulation creates and enables monopolies in the form of crony capitalism, which is just government subsidized monopolies.
    ... the ISPs are the monopolies, and there are a lot of reasons why they're monopolies beyond scary government regulations. Google has poured billions into starting up an ISP in... two cities. It takes that level of financial backing to try and get into this business.

    Like electrical generation, internet access is a service that simply doesn't lend itself well to truly free competition. The infrastructure required is tremendous.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ... the ISPs are the monopolies, and there are a lot of reasons why they're monopolies beyond scary government regulations. Google has poured billions into starting up an ISP in... two cities. It takes that level of financial backing to try and get into this business.

    Like electrical generation, internet access is a service that simply doesn't lend itself well to truly free competition. The infrastructure required is tremendous.
    Hmm. Seems that you could be a small time ISP right out of your basement. You could subscribe to a high speed connection, set up a WiFi and sell it to your neighbors for the cost of the high speed line. There are range extenders for WiFi, some can go up to 3km. Now is this economically feasible? I have no idea. Might be. Might not be. But it's an alternative that IS technically feasible. Might just require some will to exercise it.

    There are also wireless mesh network WiFi, where hacked WiFi routers are used as exchange points in a mesh network structure, and another WiFi router right next to it for access (or possibly in the same device depending on capability).
    A wireless mesh network (WMN) is a communications network made up of radio nodes organized in a mesh topology. It is also a form of wireless ad hoc network. Wireless mesh networks often consist of mesh clients, mesh routers and gateways. The mesh clients are often laptops, cell phones and other wireless devices while the mesh routers forward traffic to and from the gateways which may, but need not, connect to the Internet. The coverage area of the radio nodes working as a single network is sometimes called a mesh cloud. Access to this mesh cloud is dependent on the radio nodes working in harmony with each other to create a radio network. A mesh network is reliable and offers redundancy. When one node can no longer operate, the rest of the nodes can still communicate with each other, directly or through one or more intermediate nodes. Wireless mesh networks can self form and self heal. Wireless mesh networks can be implemented with various wireless technology including 802.11, 802.15, 802.16, cellular technologies or combinations of more than one type.
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    Project Meshnet aims to build a sustainable, decentralized, alternative internet. You can help in several ways, from spreading the word, starting up your first Cjdns node, or starting a local meshnet group called a MeshLocal.
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    So no, I don't believe that ISPs are as locked in a monopoly that you might be thinking they are.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Exactly. Obama should have come out opposed
    No, you know what? I'm ****ing serious. Comcast won. Comcast ****ing won. They paid off some corrupt politician, and in return that politician spouted to the press that net neutrality was a liberal-vs-conservative issue knowing it would work because all he had to do was say the words "Obama" and "Obamacare" in the same sentence and that was the end of it: every hack conservative across the country perked up like gophers and said "What? You mean net neutrality was a liberal plot all along? Screw my own interests! DOWN WITH NET NEUTRALITY!" And now in probably a year or two we're all going to be paying for every goddamn site we want to visit and conservatives will sit in smug satisfaction that another liberal conspiracy was crushed. After Rubio's comments I heard every conservative's brain across the country slam shut like a bear trap. Just keep an eye on every net neutrality debate that happens from now on and tell me I'm wrong. The topic of net neutrality might as well be abortion from now on, as people are going to fall along political lines in the exact, identical way. Now we'll all be too busy fighting each other as every internet provider walks away counting our money.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So no, I don't believe that ISPs are as locked in a monopoly that you might be thinking they are.
    You posted a hypothetical network that still requires I use an ISP as evidence that there can be real competition for ISPs.

    Let me know when such a network becomes widespread, with comparable speeds and reliability and cost.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So you're more worried about an imaginary future tax than your isp determining your bandwidth based on the sites that they want you to use?
    As Ive said before, I can fire my ISP. Govt is here forever, whether I like it or not.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ... the ISPs are the monopolies, and there are a lot of reasons why they're monopolies beyond scary government regulations. Google has poured billions into starting up an ISP in... two cities. It takes that level of financial backing to try and get into this business.

    Like electrical generation, internet access is a service that simply doesn't lend itself well to truly free competition. The infrastructure required is tremendous.
    Then invent something new. Thats what markets do, and govt DOESNT.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    As Ive said before, I can fire my ISP. Govt is here forever, whether I like it or not.
    Statistically speaking, you probably can't.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, you know what? I'm ****ing serious. Comcast won. Comcast ****ing won. They paid off some corrupt politician, and in return that politician spouted to the press that net neutrality was a liberal-vs-conservative issue knowing it would work because all he had to do was say the words "Obama" and "Obamacare" in the same sentence and that was the end of it: every hack conservative across the country perked up like gophers and said "What? You mean net neutrality was a liberal plot all along? Screw my own interests! DOWN WITH NET NEUTRALITY!" And now in probably a year or two we're all going to be paying for every goddamn site we want to visit and conservatives will sit in smug satisfaction that another liberal conspiracy was crushed. After Rubio's comments I heard every conservative's brain across the country slam shut like a bear trap. Just keep an eye on every net neutrality debate that happens from now on and tell me I'm wrong. The topic of net neutrality might as well be abortion from now on, as people are going to fall along political lines in the exact, identical way. Now we'll all be too busy fighting each other as every internet provider walks away counting our money.
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