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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And no further regulations are required, IMHO.
    No further regulations are required, so get rid of the regulations that have worked to ensure net neutrality for the past twenty years? You're not making a lick of sense.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No further regulations are required, so get rid of the regulations that have worked to ensure net neutrality for the past twenty years? You're not making a lick of sense.
    Net Neutrality regulations are not new? Reclassifying ISPs as utilities is not new? Sorry, but that is new.

    The Internet is working just fine as it is and requires no further government regulations to screw it up. Often, such as in this case, more government regulation isn't the best and only answer.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Net Neutrality regulations are not new?
    No. The concept in any official sense goes back to 2003. Again, it is what has prevented your isp from funneling your internet use to services you have paid extra for. Net neutrality is why you have enjoyed the internet as you have for over a decade, and it is the deregulating of the internet that will change that.
    Reclassifying ISPs as utilities is not new? Sorry, but that is new.

    The Internet is working just fine as it is and requires no further government regulations to screw it up. Often, such as in this case, more government regulation isn't the best and only answer.
    And if you really believe that it is working just fine as it is, then you will support net neutrality.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No. The concept in any official sense goes back to 2003. Again, it is what has prevented your isp from funneling your internet use to services you have paid extra for. Net neutrality is why you have enjoyed the internet as you have for over a decade, and it is the deregulating of the internet that will change that.


    And if you really believe that it is working just fine as it is, then you will support net neutrality.
    So if Net Neutrality has been part of the landscape for all those years, why do we need yet more regulation? Has some sort of regulation expired? I've not heard about any of that. I don't think that any has.

    Fundamentally, the present Net Neutrality proposal is a solution seeking a problem. The Internet is working just fine as it is.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So if Net Neutrality has been part of the landscape for all those years, why do we need yet more regulation? Has some sort of regulation expired? I've not heard about any of that. I don't think that any has.

    Fundamentally, the present Net Neutrality proposal is a solution seeking a problem. The Internet is working just fine as it is.
    Are you deliberately being obtuse? Again, the reason the internet is "working just fine as it is" is because we've had net neutrality all these years. Before you slam the reply button read that sentence slowly and give it a chance to sink in.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Are you deliberately being obtuse? Again, the reason the internet is "working just fine as it is" is because we've had net neutrality all these years. Before you slam the reply button read that sentence slowly and give it a chance to sink in.
    If "we've had net neutrality all these years", why is there a need for yet more regulation? Apparently it's working just fine.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And no further regulations are required, IMHO.
    They are now, because recently one of those key regulations was overturned by a federal court. Net neutrality.

    You always had it, until last January. Now you don't have it, but you should want it back.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If "we've had net neutrality all these years", why is there a need for yet more regulation? Apparently it's working just fine.
    Not anymore. Net neutrality ended recently. Understand now? All us terrifying liberals are asking for is to go back to the set of regulations we've always had, because those worked very, very well.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If "we've had net neutrality all these years", why is there a need for yet more regulation? Apparently it's working just fine.
    Because as the regulation has been overturned, the regulation will need to be put back so that the internet can continue to work just fine.

    Yes, I'm just parroting Deuce here, but maybe with the message coming from both of us instead of just me, the idea will start to sink in.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They are now, because recently one of those key regulations was overturned by a federal court. Net neutrality.

    You always had it, until last January. Now you don't have it, but you should want it back.
    And that's the missing piece of the puzzle. Thank you.

    Deciding a lawsuit brought by Verizon, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit struck down the rules. The court said the FCC saddled broadband providers with the same sorts of obligations as traditional "common carrier" telecommunications services, such as landline phone systems, even though the commission had explicitly decided not to classify broadband as a telecom service.

    "Given that the Commission has chosen to classify broadband providers in a manner that exempts them from treatment as common carriers, the Communications Act expressly prohibits the commission from nonetheless regulating them as such," Judge David Tatel wrote for the court.
    . . .
    Tony Wible, an analyst at Janney Capital Markets, said Internet companies would mount a fight to avoid paying new fees, but he said it was inevitable that over time some of the burden of paying for Internet infrastructure to handle bulging traffic would shift to content providers or consumers in the form of usage-based billing.
    Appeals Court Strikes Down FCC's Net Neutrality Rules - WSJ

    It's really burdensome to the ISPs to implement some sort of per-packet charging system. There's just much traffic running across their lines. So basically, I'm reading here that due to the success in the market of Internet based content and the demand which has been growing for years and years, the consumer is going to end up paying the price.

    We should be clear about something: cable companies are at the mercy of content companies on the issue of content rights and use. Time Warner Cable and Comcast have to go into the content market, pay Disney, and negotiate how and in what way they can use that signal. You see them pushing very hard to iterate their experience and get on devices like the iPad and iPhone. Can I put the guide there? Can I put the content there? Can I stream a linear stream? That problem is never technological — they can do that and a lot more very quickly. The issue most frequently is licensing rights.
    Former FCC Chairman Michael Powell: 'Cable companies are at the mercy of content companies' | The Verge

    So if these particular Net Nutrality regulations go into place, who's going to meet the demand in the market, if the companies that have to invest in the infrastructure aren't certain they can get a return on their investment?

    AT&T delays fiber optic plans pending net neutrality debate | Computerworld

    Government regulations hardly ever enable a competitive market, they create monopolies. I don't think that these Net Neutrality regulations will do so either. Better, I think, to allow market forces to determine this outcome.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ah, so that's it, then. The moment the noise makers were able to turn net neutrality into a left-vs-right issue, that would be the beginning of the end. Once anything enters the culture war, 50% of the population will automatically support it, and bam...a policy is made.
    Exactly. Obama should have come out opposed

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