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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Ah, so that's it, then. The moment the noise makers were able to turn net neutrality into a left-vs-right issue, that would be the beginning of the end. Once anything enters the culture war, 50% of the population will automatically support it, and bam...a policy is made.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Gotta watch these politicians.
    President Obama's public stance that the FCC should reclassify broadband internet services as a Title II "common carrier" under the current Telecommunications Act carries many ramifications, but one is undeniable: there's going to be a hidden tax hike, and it's going to be paid for by consumers.
    Title II common carriers are required to "contribute" to what's called the Universal Service Fund - a government program to bring telecommunications services to underserved areas with the goal of universal coverage. Whether it's called "contributions" or fees or whatnot, the function of the program is a tax on corporate revenues in order to fund services for those who might not have them otherwise. It's a redistributive corporate tax paid for by consumers.

    The USF tax amounts to more than a 16% charge on top of consumers' bills. As broadband service providers are not currently subject to the USF tax, a reclassification would mean that all consumers would see a jump around that size in their bill. Considering that in some locales, the cheapest broadband service runs upwards of $50 per month, this will cost even the most price-conscious consumers an extra $100 per year - and for those at higher tiers, much more than that.

    FCC commissioners past and present have agreed that the this net neutrality tax is unavoidable in a Title II reclassification scenario. In a discussion at the National Press Club on Friday, current FCC commissioner Ajit Pai laid out exactly what consumers would be seeing on their bills.

    "Public utility regulation would mean higher broadband prices for consumers," Pai said. "Once broadband is classified as a telecommunications service, universal service charges would be assessed on carriers' broadband services. Many state and local taxes would automatically kick in."

    "The net result is that every single American broadband customer would have to pay a new tax - or taxes - to access the internet."

    An FCC decision to go with title II reclassification in order to enforce new net neutrality regulations would have a lot of deleterious effects. One of the most obvious is that it would be a tax hike on a service that the government believes is essential to American life.
    The Net Neutrality Tax Hike - Kevin Glass

    So, you really think this is all about protecting the consumer from what appears to be a really thin argument about content delivery?

    More likely this is yet another money grab by the out of touch DC politicians. Who've never met at tax they didn't like.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Gotta watch these politicians.
    The Net Neutrality Tax Hike - Kevin Glass

    So, you really think this is all about protecting the consumer from what appears to be a really thin argument about content delivery?

    More likely this is yet another money grab by the out of touch DC politicians. Who've never met at tax they didn't like.

    So you're more worried about an imaginary future tax than your isp determining your bandwidth based on the sites that they want you to use?

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

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    So you're more worried about an imaginary future tax than your isp determining your bandwidth based on the sites that they want you to use?
    I don't believe that it's 'imaginary future tax', I believe that it's part and parcel of categorizing the service as Title II "common carrier".
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I don't believe that it's 'imaginary future tax', I believe that it's part and parcel of categorizing the service as Title II "common carrier".
    And you're more worried about that potentiality than your isp determining your bandwidth based on the sites they want you to use? When all the sites have had their fees jacked in order to access the faster bandwidth (including your own if you have your own site or business) where do you think those costs are going to fall?

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And you're more worried about that potentiality than your isp determining your bandwidth based on the sites they want you to use? When all the sites have had their fees jacked in order to access the faster bandwidth (including your own if you have your own site or business) where do you think those costs are going to fall?
    Less worried about that. More worried about government ****ing up the Internet, considering how important for the future the Internet is.

    We've gotten this far without these regulations, I don't see the problems these regulations are designed to address as being significant, and I shudder at the risk and implication of the government ****ing the Internet up by having their fingers in it. The government involvement is not needed for this issue.

    I see that you are committing a 'false flag' operation, labeling yourself as a Conservative. Face it. You are not.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Less worried about that.
    Why? The only reason for not being worried about it, as far as I can see, is that you don't understand net neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    More worried about government ****ing up the Internet, considering how important for the future the Internet is.

    We've gotten this far without these regulations, I don't see the problems these regulations are designed to address as being significant, and I shudder at the risk and implication of the government ****ing the Internet up by having their fingers in it. The government involvement is not needed for this issue.

    I see that you are committing a 'false flag' operation, labeling yourself as a Conservative. Face it. You are not.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why? The only reason for not being worried about it, as far as I can see, is that you don't understand net neutrality.
    No, I understand the issues of Net Neutrality just fine. Has to do with the deals between content providers and ISPs, where ISPs are demanding money from content providers for delivering their content. The longer and harder the conflict goes on, the more both businesses damage themselves. To date, the one conflict that we have information on lasted all of 3 months. No big deal if you ask me.

    Once the government has it's hands in and on the Internet, in the form regulations, it'll never leave, or get out of it, and the government has proven itself far from being honest and trustworthy, especially this president, this administration and this congress.

    I can imagine a back door mandate to block or slow down political opponents content. The recent Gruber videos? Undeliverable.

    The government has a track record of doing this. Telephone and mobile carriers are classified the same way, right? How often has the government demanded data from them and hidden it? Even user data they've demanded and obtained this way. Do you think that once classified as utilities, that ISPs are somehow exempt from the same sort of demands? I'm thinking not.

    So it is a data privacy issue. Yes, I know, a subpena from the FISA court is all it takes, but better at least a cursory legal review than less than that.
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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No, I understand the issues of Net Neutrality just fine. Has to do with the deals between content providers and ISPs, where ISPs are demanding money from content providers for delivering their content. The longer and harder the conflict goes on, the more both businesses damage themselves. To date, the one conflict that we have information on lasted all of 3 months. No big deal if you ask me.

    Once the government has it's hands in and on the Internet, in the form regulations, it'll never leave, or get out of it, and the government has proven itself far from being honest and trustworthy, especially this president, this administration and this congress.

    I can imagine a back door mandate to block or slow down political opponents content. The recent Gruber videos? Undeliverable.

    The government has a track record of doing this. Telephone and mobile carriers are classified the same way, right? How often has the government demanded data from them and hidden it? Even user data they've demanded and obtained this way. Do you think that once classified as utilities, that ISPs are somehow exempt from the same sort of demands? I'm thinking not.

    So it is a data privacy issue. Yes, I know, a subpena from the FISA court is all it takes, but better at least a cursory legal review than less than that.
    What do you mean, "Once the government has its hands in and on the internet in for the form of regulations?" You do understand that it's government regulation that has maintained net neutrality, don't you? Government regulations are why your ability to access the internet has always been the same wherever you go (depending on the servers of each site, of course). You say you understand net neutrality, but then you demonstrate the exact opposite.

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    Re: Obama Urges F.C.C. to Adopt Strict Rules on Net Neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What do you mean, "Once the government has its hands in and on the internet in for the form of regulations?" You do understand that it's government regulation that has maintained net neutrality, don't you? Government regulations are why your ability to access the internet has always been the same wherever you go (depending on the servers of each site, of course). You say you understand net neutrality, but then you demonstrate the exact opposite.
    And no further regulations are required, IMHO.
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