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    Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    "The minute they pass a bill that addresses the problems with immigration reform, I will sign it and it supersedes whatever actions I take," Obama said in the interview.

    "And I'm encouraging them to do so ... on parallel track we're going to be implementing an executive action.

    "But if in fact a bill gets passed, nobody's going to be happier than me to sign it, because that means it will be permanent rather than temporary."
    The ball is now in the Republican court. They don't need a supermajority to pass a bill. Harry Reid's ridiculous stunt a few months ago ensured that. They don't need bipartisan approval. They just need to get a bill passed and I think they should drag Obama through the coals for taking this particular stance. If Republicans pass a bill and it goes against his latest statements, they can show that he wasn't interested in immigration reform. He was interested in his vision of immigration reform being passed. If there are unconstitutional parts, it can be taken to the courts just like Arizona's laws. However, this particular stance is definitely one Obama shouldn't have taken.
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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview



    The ball is now in the Republican court. They don't need a supermajority to pass a bill. Harry Reid's ridiculous stunt a few months ago ensured that. They don't need bipartisan approval. They just need to get a bill passed and I think they should drag Obama through the coals for taking this particular stance. If Republicans pass a bill and it goes against his latest statements, they can show that he wasn't interested in immigration reform. He was interested in his vision of immigration reform being passed. If there are unconstitutional parts, it can be taken to the courts just like Arizona's laws. However, this particular stance is definitely one Obama shouldn't have taken.


    Why? Why does it have to be that way? What you posted sounds like this:



    along with this too:




    Why can't a great immigration bill be passed by itself? Why must politicalhackery get involved? To score points? Yeah, let's keep perpetuating what isn't working, as partisanship has gridlocked Washington.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    [IMG]http://24.media.tumblr.com/a54be30fed882808d79fc843a000e6e0/tumblr_mqrof29gM81szj14io1_400.gif[IMG]

    Why? Why does it have to be that way? What you posted sounds like this:

    [IMG]http://www.senseimarketing.com/Portals/0/images/risk-1.jpg[IMG]

    along with this too:

    [IMG]http://www.gamevain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/battleship_board_game.jpeg[IMG]

    Why can't a great immigration bill be passed by itself? Why must politicalhackery get involved? To score points? Yeah, let's keep perpetuating what isn't working, as partisanship has gridlocked Washington.
    I'm arguing that Obama took a defiant stance on this issue, and has opened the door for Republicans to pass a bill he may not like. Do you think that's beyond the possibilities what will happen?
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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Any immigration bill that is passed had better be solely about strengthening laws against illegal immigration. Otherwise all that we're doing is perpetuating and encouraging more illegal immigration and it will NOT solve the problems that illegal immigration causes. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm sick and tired of our government putting bandaids on problems and kicking them down the road so much that there's an infection and gangrene before its ever actually solved.
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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Any immigration bill that is passed had better be solely about strengthening laws against illegal immigration. Otherwise all that we're doing is perpetuating and encouraging more illegal immigration and it will NOT solve the problems that illegal immigration causes. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm sick and tired of our government putting bandaids on problems and kicking them down the road so much that there's an infection and gangrene before its ever actually solved.
    I'm convinced that Republicans will put some sort of provisional amnesty alternative on the table. They did so back in January. It included the immigrants being allowed to legally reside in the country as long as back taxes were paid and they had no need for welfare. They really don't have that many options. Any hard ass anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric and whatever grounds Bush made for the hispanic vote in 2004 will disappear in 2016 and that damn near guarantees a Democrat POTUS.

    House Republicans Just Announced Their Plans For Immigration Reform: ‘Get Right With the Law’ | TheBlaze.com

    One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents. It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children through no fault of their own, those who know no other place as home. For those who meet certain eligibility standards, and serve honorably in our military or attain a college degree, we will do just that.
    Rather, these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits).
    The way it works, Obama and Republicans have shot each other in the foot. Obama is going to look terribly if he doesn't sign a bill passed by Republicans. Republicans will look just as bad if they decide to ignore the policies they wanted to establish.
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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Why can't a great immigration bill be passed by itself?
    That would never happen, but Hatuey is right. Obama bit off a bad piece here, and he's gonna have to live with it.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    I think he is DESPERATE for the republicans to pass legislation...ANY legislation. I think he has put himself on the hook and knows what his limitations are with regard to Executive Orders.

    The simple fact of the matter is that the Immigration laws are NOT broken. We bring in over a million legal immigrants every year. We also bring in people on student and work visas. The problem is not with the existing law but with the lack of enforcement of existing law. Enforce the law (secure borders, enforce deportation laws, and punish US citizens that hire illegal immigrants) and the problem with illegal immigration takes care of itself. The only thing that needs to be 'fixed' is the problem with the 20-30 million illegals already here. There is a lot of room for a workable solution there. 1-kill all social security payments to illegal citizens. 2-Offer some form of a temporary card giving the illegal immigrant a worker visa status with a fine for breaking the law. If they are working, pay them on the books and tax them appropriately-maybe even impose a green card tax to pay for their illegal status fine. 3-Kill all social security taxes but also social security for Green card recipients. 4-Tax the HELL out of wire service transactions which involve sending US dollars to foreign countries. 5-Anyone willing to comply with the new laws, then make their kids that were born here US citizens. 6-Anyone that refuses to comply is at risk for deportation. 7-Anyone that is arrested involved in criminal enterprise is tried and punished for their crimes and after they serve their sentence are IMMEDIATELY deported. 8-Anyone that is deported and sneaks back in illegally should be hit with a minimum 10 year prison sentence.

    Lots of room for maneuvering. It isnt logical to attempt to round up and deport 20 million illegal immigrants. It doesnt make fiscal sense. It doesnt make sense from a relationship perspective either.

    I would also promote the hell out of the FACT that the people that are here are here by their choice because their home country is such a gigantic ****hole. They should RECOGNIZE that fact, APPRECIATE the opportunity, respect the opportunity, or get the **** out and stay out.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That would never happen, but Hatuey is right. Obama bit off a bad piece here, and he's gonna have to live with it.
    And that's the main problem, the one that needs to be certainly addressed as vigorously as possible. And just because the President set the table it does not mean that the Republicans have to sit down, let alone, eat what's served.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm arguing that Obama took a defiant stance on this issue, and has opened the door for Republicans to pass a bill he may not like. Do you think that's beyond the possibilities what will happen?
    Of course not, nothing good will come of the situation and it's because of partisan politics.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think he is DESPERATE for the republicans to pass legislation...ANY legislation. I think he has put himself on the hook and knows what his limitations are with regard to Executive Orders.

    The simple fact of the matter is that the Immigration laws are NOT broken. We bring in over a million legal immigrants every year. We also bring in people on student and work visas. The problem is not with the existing law but with the lack of enforcement of existing law. Enforce the law (secure borders, enforce deportation laws, and punish US citizens that hire illegal immigrants) and the problem with illegal immigration takes care of itself. The only thing that needs to be 'fixed' is the problem with the 20-30 million illegals already here. There is a lot of room for a workable solution there. 1-kill all social security payments to illegal citizens. 2-Offer some form of a temporary card giving the illegal immigrant a worker visa status with a fine for breaking the law. If they are working, pay them on the books and tax them appropriately-maybe even impose a green card tax to pay for their illegal status fine. 3-Kill all social security taxes but also social security for Green card recipients. 4-Tax the HELL out of wire service transactions which involve sending US dollars to foreign countries. 5-Anyone willing to comply with the new laws, then make their kids that were born here US citizens. 6-Anyone that refuses to comply is at risk for deportation. 7-Anyone that is arrested involved in criminal enterprise is tried and punished for their crimes and after they serve their sentence are IMMEDIATELY deported. 8-Anyone that is deported and sneaks back in illegally should be hit with a minimum 10 year prison sentence.

    Lots of room for maneuvering. It isnt logical to attempt to round up and deport 20 million illegal immigrants. It doesnt make fiscal sense. It doesnt make sense from a relationship perspective either.

    I would also promote the hell out of the FACT that the people that are here are here by their choice because their home country is such a gigantic ****hole. They should RECOGNIZE that fact, APPRECIATE the opportunity, respect the opportunity, or get the **** out and stay out.
    If I had a dollar for every suggestion in this post that will be included in a potential bill, I'd have enough for a coffee from 1999. The party of low taxes isn't going to 'tax the hell out of' wire transfers. Have you actually seen their suggestions? They have nothing to do with what you're stating except for maybe enforcing the laws.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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