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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Frankly, for those here I'd like to do something like this....

    Illegals in this country have 1 year after the legislation becomes law to make themselves known and report to the government. These Illegals are given 3 options, baring a felony on their record (in which case it's simply deportation):

    Option 1

    Those that come forward are given a temporary work visa that expires 3 years after the legislation becomes law. Routine check in's with the government during that time span is required. If a check-in is missed by [X] amount of days then you're visa is terminated. At the end of the Visa period you must leave the country. Failure to do so disqualifies you from ever applying for any means of entrance legally into this country again. If the individual adheres to the Visa requirements and leaves at or before it's expiration date, they must wait 1 full year before they are legally allowed to apply for another method of entry into the country, including citizenship.

    Option 2

    Those that come forward must leave the country but suffer no consequences for their current time here with matters of the law related to their immigration status. They can then immedietely apply for any legal means of entering into the country, including citizenship.

    Option 3

    Those illegals who can show they were brought here as children will have an additional option to enlist in the military for a 6 year time period. At the end of which they will be granted full citizenship. The childs parents, and any siblings under the age of 18, are allowed to legally remain in the United States during the time of his service. Upon completion of his surface, they are granted permanent residency but can never apply for citizenship. Sibilings over the age of 18 must also enlist or take one of the other two options.


    So summary:

    - Up to 3 year long Work Visa, with a one year waiting period after leaving before they can come back or apply for citizenship
    - Immeidetely leave, but able to immedietely apply for legal entry or citizenship
    - If brought here before being a 18, but now over 18, enlist for 6 years and give temporary/potential permanent residency to your parents and siblings under the age of 18. Citizenship after full 6 years for enlisted individual, no citizenship for the family members ever allowed.

    After the 1 year period is over, any who didn't come forward are SOL. Significant penalities on businesses who hire illegals, purposeful persuing and searching for illegal individuals still here in the country, and deportation of them when they're found regardless of whether or not they have had other offenses. If you didn't come forward in that first year then we are trying to get rid of you, no if and's or butts.

    That would be my "compromise" idea in terms of how to deal with those that are still here.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    By stating a new law would "supersede whatever action I take", isn't he admitting that his actions aren't kosher? If Congress can write a law to override his action, then it wasn't an action that he was privy to make in the first place.
    No, Congress has always had the power to override a EO through legislative action. That doesn't necessarily mean that the EO a POTUS makes isn't "kosher". It just means that Congress wanted a more permanent solution put in place.

    That said I do believe that any EO that Obama makes in regards to immigration will in fact be illegal due to the fact that pre-existing laws are already in place via past congresses. He doesn't have the power to override those. Although he certainly already has before and was never brought up short by it due to partisan politics and politicians not caring about laws they don't agree with. Instead of repealing those laws and replacing them the proper way they'd rather just ignore them to push their own agenda's.
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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is an interesting notion. I had not considered it, tbh.

    However, Reid only got rid of the fillibuster for appointments. Not laws. I'm thinking the actual effect will be to force Democrats to fillibuster a bill that their base will not support, but that will risk getting some of them into trouble come 2016. That could be a way for Republicans to flip the maps' natural advantage to Democrats a little bit and/or split the Democrat party and force Obama to veto his own people.

    Interesting.
    I think Reid opened the door for the filibuster of laws to be done away with too. Democrats proved that these rules don't matter much if the party in charge doesn't like them. So what is stopping Republicans to change the rules again?
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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Any immigration bill that is passed had better be solely about strengthening laws against illegal immigration.
    Agreed. But a bill that strenghtens enforcement of current immigration laws (including improving border security) will have to be first. None of this **** where it's one giant bill full of everything and it ends up being done half-assed or just plain ignored.

    Once enforcement and border security issues are addressed to a satisfactory level, then we can talk about some kind of bill of legalization with requirements.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think Reid opened the door for the filibuster of laws to be done away with too. Democrats proved that these rules don't matter much if the party in charge doesn't like them. So what is stopping Republicans to change the rules again?
    presumably only their awareness that one day they, too, will be in the minority.

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