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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

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    The ball is now in the Republican court. They don't need a supermajority to pass a bill. Harry Reid's ridiculous stunt a few months ago ensured that. They don't need bipartisan approval. They just need to get a bill passed and I think they should drag Obama through the coals for taking this particular stance. If Republicans pass a bill and it goes against his latest statements, they can show that he wasn't interested in immigration reform. He was interested in his vision of immigration reform being passed. If there are unconstitutional parts, it can be taken to the courts just like Arizona's laws. However, this particular stance is definitely one Obama shouldn't have taken.
    The question is, what a bill should say. I do not think there is much consensus on the matter. Even what basis ie should it be a rational or emotional solution should be chosen appears in doubt.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Call his bluff. Let HIM SHOW the nation how little respect he has for the US Constitution, the separation of powers, and The People's choices in representation. JUST DON'T start talking about impeachment when/if he does pen-and-phone the nation's immigration laws....

    because that is EXACTLY what he and Democrats are shooting for.
    Incrementally, and always under the guise of "fairness", "equality", and "social justice", the US Constitution has been deceitfully interpreted in ways that remove all limitations on central authority...and place them on the people.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    There isn't much he can do by executive order and for conservatives to be complaining about Obama wanting to prioritize exporting gang members and felons over people who are neither is about as unprincipled as one can be unless their guiding principle is "What can a say bad about a black person today and hide my prejudice."

    The only immigration reform that will work will have to include a system for workers to work their way in place to a Visa and for there to be more work Visas that corresponds to the demand for labor, particularly low skill labor. Giving the INS more discretion in setting those limits based on changing market needs instead of taking an act of congress would be a good step. Our current system discourages foreign investment in the US as it makes it harder for the foreign corporation to get visas for their management to move back and forth because of the limits on visas. In addition the quota system when it comes to Mexico is outdated. It is just not realistic to think that people will wait a decade or more to enter the US to be with their family when they can jump the border. It would also be beneficial to have an online process that allows certain types of people to move more freely back and forth to their country of origins without the slow INS paperwork process. Similar to the talk of expediting frequent flyers with pre-clearance to the security checkpoint, they should deploy a system where certain workers can move back and forth more readily when circumstances warrant without the need to reapply for entry. We could, for instance, have a stable of field workers, construction workers, etc, who could come and go as needed when needed instead of having them squatting in the US between seasons/jobs.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

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    The ball is now in the Republican court. They don't need a supermajority to pass a bill. Harry Reid's ridiculous stunt a few months ago ensured that. They don't need bipartisan approval. They just need to get a bill passed and I think they should drag Obama through the coals for taking this particular stance. If Republicans pass a bill and it goes against his latest statements, they can show that he wasn't interested in immigration reform. He was interested in his vision of immigration reform being passed. If there are unconstitutional parts, it can be taken to the courts just like Arizona's laws. However, this particular stance is definitely one Obama shouldn't have taken.
    By stating a new law would "supersede whatever action I take", isn't he admitting that his actions aren't kosher? If Congress can write a law to override his action, then it wasn't an action that he was privy to make in the first place.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If I had a dollar for every suggestion in this post that will be included in a potential bill, I'd have enough for a coffee from 1999. The party of low taxes isn't going to 'tax the hell out of' wire transfers. Have you actually seen their suggestions? They have nothing to do with what you're stating except for maybe enforcing the laws.
    I'm not a member of that party. I'm offering solutions as I see them.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm convinced that Republicans will put some sort of provisional amnesty alternative on the table. They did so back in January. It included the immigrants being allowed to legally reside in the country as long as back taxes were paid and they had no need for welfare. They really don't have that many options. Any hard ass anti-illegal immigrant rhetoric and whatever grounds Bush made for the hispanic vote in 2004 will disappear in 2016 and that damn near guarantees a Democrat POTUS.

    House Republicans Just Announced Their Plans For Immigration Reform: ‘Get Right With the Law’ | TheBlaze.com





    The way it works, Obama and Republicans have shot each other in the foot. Obama is going to look terribly if he doesn't sign a bill passed by Republicans. Republicans will look just as bad if they decide to ignore the policies they wanted to establish.
    Unfortunately you're probably right. Which pisses me off to no end. I'm working my ass off to try and give my kids a better life than I have and illegal aliens will be getting a leg up on them.
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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Harry Reid did open the door for using reconcilliation on every single cockimamy bill possible as long as you tie it some way or somehow to the tax code or the budget in even the flimsiest or tertiary of purposes. However, I stand by my belief that such a precedent should be ignored...except for the repealing the law the precedent was set in order to pass...by this Republican congress. This is not a tool that should be used to completely destroy the notion of a fillibuster. I feel the same way in regards to Reids horribly authoritatirn rules regaridng amendments. Republicans need to roll back these things and change course on those precedents, and they need to make their case to the American people as to why they're doing it and exactly WHAT Reids horribly authoritarian senate was previously doing.

    Republicans need to call the Presidents bluff, and they should attempt to find about 7 democratic senators to leech off for immigration reform that is primarily focused on border security, enforcement of laws against businesses, and some means of dealing with the people here that doesn't result in full ciitzenship rights now or in the near future. Even if they can't, they need to pass and show that this is the President using his executive authority to unilaterally push things, ignoring the results of the election, with the Democratic minority in the Senate keeping congress from passing any actual law.

    However...the President and Administration should be given ZERO input on the shaping of this law. Shut them out entirely. If the Obama Administration wanted to work with he new congress he can wait and then do so. If he takes executive action in the 2 months before they come into power then he should be froze out entirely. Its been six years since he's came into power, yet for some reason it can't possibly wait 2 or so months?

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    I don't know a single person, Republican or Democrat or other, that is clamoring to forgive or legalize a single immigrant who is here illegally.

    This will hurt EVERYBODY. In fact, it will most hurt the very people that vote overwhelmingly for the party that is trying to do this to them.

    Other than trying to fortify the Democrat party, what possible benefit is there for any American who's just trying to support themselves and their families?

    It does nothing but water down our individual power. Nothing more.

    Why is Obama so hell-bent on this when almost NOBODY supports him on this?

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm arguing that Obama took a defiant stance on this issue, and has opened the door for Republicans to pass a bill he may not like. Do you think that's beyond the possibilities what will happen?
    That is an interesting notion. I had not considered it, tbh.

    However, Reid only got rid of the fillibuster for appointments. Not laws. I'm thinking the actual effect will be to force Democrats to fillibuster a bill that their base will not support, but that will risk getting some of them into trouble come 2016. That could be a way for Republicans to flip the maps' natural advantage to Democrats a little bit and/or split the Democrat party and force Obama to veto his own people.

    Interesting.

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    Re: Obama defends plan to act on immigration: CBS interview

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is an interesting notion. I had not considered it, tbh.

    However, Reid only got rid of the fillibuster for appointments. Not laws. I'm thinking the actual effect will be to force Democrats to fillibuster a bill that their base will not support, but that will risk getting some of them into trouble come 2016. That could be a way for Republicans to flip the maps' natural advantage to Democrats a little bit and/or split the Democrat party and force Obama to veto his own people.

    Interesting.
    The politics of it will be interesting as the mainstream media will try to claim this as a Republican scheme, when in fact, this is Obama painting his party into a corner by insisting on a policy that Democrat voters do not support to begin with.

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