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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Sorry, I don't remember saying anything about taxation, but I have to disagree about the distribution of income. Also, we are talking about in the future, more so than today, and with the assumption that in the future there will be far less need for human labor due to improvements in our technology.

    Once there are no longer enough jobs so that every family can have one, then the masses will be absolutely broke (barring a massive welfare state), and thus they will not be able to afford hookers and strippers. I'd call that an income distribution problem.

    So why do YOU think that there will be no distribution of income problem, and why do you not think that it could be solved (at least in part) by taxation? Do you have a different vision of the future?
    There is no distribution of income problem. We live in a global economy. The wages of workers overseas are growing as a result of their increased productivity. You just are falling victim to the American arrogance that we are entitled to something over someone who is not an American. American manufacturing will die unless the transportation/import costs for their goods are increased or Americans will produce for competitive costs. Taxing the wealthy does nothing but perpetuate a broken worldview. There will be plenty of jobs to go around. Projections are that we will have a shortfall of unskilled labor. Be lazy and pick apples, be an innovator who adapts to an ever changing marketplace, show initiative and become a doctor or a lawyer, or marry a Walton heir. The choice is there and will continue to be there. You are doing nothing but playing into class warfare nonsense perpetuated by the Democratic Party to keep the unions pulling the D lever instead of looking for or starting something better for workers.

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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Me self-identifying as a Libertarian has what to do with me feeling bad for my kids and grandkids that 50% of today's occupations will no longer exist in 2025?
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    What's worse, nine out of the top ten occupations in the US today pay less than $35,000 a year! If this is a trend, it sure isn't the brightest outlook for this Country! We can't compete with countries across the world that pay their workers $5 a day, so this has cost America over 20 million jobs over the past 25 years, mostly in the manufacturing sector. I feel sorry for all our children and grandchildren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    People always have money for strippers.
    Maybe - assuming that they have money for anything. I guess it's all about priorities.
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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    There is no distribution of income problem. We live in a global economy. The wages of workers overseas are growing as a result of their increased productivity. You just are falling victim to the American arrogance that we are entitled to something over someone who is not an American. American manufacturing will die unless the transportation/import costs for their goods are increased or Americans will produce for competitive costs. Taxing the wealthy does nothing but perpetuate a broken worldview. There will be plenty of jobs to go around. Projections are that we will have a shortfall of unskilled labor. Be lazy and pick apples, be an innovator who adapts to an ever changing marketplace, show initiative and become a doctor or a lawyer, or marry a Walton heir. The choice is there and will continue to be there. You are doing nothing but playing into class warfare nonsense perpetuated by the Democratic Party to keep the unions pulling the D lever instead of looking for or starting something better for workers.


    Be lazy and pick apples?


    Ever done any farmwork? I doubt it... or you wouldn't use "lazy" in the same sentence....

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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    ...You can use pro-tool and cakewalk to your hearts content in a studio but no one is going to go to a venue to watch some dude push buttons on a stage....
    Like HELL you say...




    Guess I proved you wrong. 250,000 people paid $400 each to watch some dudes push buttons on a stage last month in Georgia.

    By the way, my kid is in this video.
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    We have to be careful with this. Technology has traditionally had a short-term negative impact for labor when implemented, but humanity has adopted. I understand that many now are challenging this model, because the relative performance of computers is substantially greater than machines in centuries past, but I find a doom and gloom scenario incredibly unlikely. We find means of adjusting to technological advances and we do not desire to have persons out of work (and worse yet, destitute).
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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Be lazy and pick apples?


    Ever done any farmwork? I doubt it... or you wouldn't use "lazy" in the same sentence....
    If you are lazy when it comes to your education and planning, then you will be picking apples. Yes I have done farm work. Quite a bit of farm work and if the choice was to do it or be unemployed or living off other people, I would still choose farm work.

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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    We have to be careful with this. Technology has traditionally had a short-term negative impact for labor when implemented, but humanity has adopted. I understand that many now are challenging this model, because the relative performance of computers is substantially greater than machines in centuries past, but I find a doom and gloom scenario incredibly unlikely. We find means of adjusting to technological advances and we do not desire to have persons out of work (and worse yet, destitute).
    Labor is only one aspect of production costs. There are other factors that can give businesses competitive advantage over cheaper labor. The market will sort itself out.

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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    There is no distribution of income problem. We live in a global economy. The wages of workers overseas are growing as a result of their increased productivity. You just are falling victim to the American arrogance that we are entitled to something over someone who is not an American. American manufacturing will die unless the transportation/import costs for their goods are increased or Americans will produce for competitive costs. Taxing the wealthy does nothing but perpetuate a broken worldview. There will be plenty of jobs to go around. Projections are that we will have a shortfall of unskilled labor. Be lazy and pick apples, be an innovator who adapts to an ever changing marketplace, show initiative and become a doctor or a lawyer, or marry a Walton heir. The choice is there and will continue to be there. You are doing nothing but playing into class warfare nonsense perpetuated by the Democratic Party to keep the unions pulling the D lever instead of looking for or starting something better for workers.
    Manufacturing has been migrating back to the US. Unfortunately, manufacturing jobs haven't.

    Computers and robots can be operated just as cheaply in the US as in any country in the world. As we continue to automate and computerize, no country will have a particular economic advantage in the cost of production, so international trade will actually likely decrease.

    Even China has been loosing manufacturing jobs, not to cheaper labor countries, but to automation.

    I have no idea why you are trying to make this a political issue. I'm not a liberal, or even a democrat. It's not a political issue, it's a technology issue.
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    Re: 50% of occupations today will no longer exist in 2025: Report

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    We have to be careful with this. Technology has traditionally had a short-term negative impact for labor when implemented, but humanity has adopted. I understand that many now are challenging this model, because the relative performance of computers is substantially greater than machines in centuries past, but I find a doom and gloom scenario incredibly unlikely. We find means of adjusting to technological advances and we do not desire to have persons out of work (and worse yet, destitute).
    Exactly.

    Of course one of the ways that we adapted is that we reduced our work hours.

    A hundred years ago there really was no such thing as retirement while one still had their health. Most people entered the work force as a young child, and worked pretty much vacationless for the rest of their lifetime. The standard work week was 70 hours in most manufacturing plants.

    I believe this trend to be the best direction, although I'm not so sure that it's going to occur if all we rely on is the invisible hand.
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