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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Well stated. Even Obama's hesitant and weak response to ISIS demonstrates this. His own military staff has stated that airstrikes wont solve this.
    The idea is to look busy (yet not overly aggressive) and ride out the last two years of his CinC duty with mumbo jumbo (a technical political term) about coalition forces making progress in a difficult area of the world and supporting our brave men and women in uniform. Yes he can!
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Find... what? Where you made a claim that was erroneous? Bringing down violence to 2003 levels does not equate to your claim that "Obama lost the peace in Iraq". There wasn't peace. Hell, your own graph demonstrates that even after the troop surge, there was violence similar to those seen in 2003. The best part is that you've shown a graph which proves your original claim wrong. Obama couldn't have lost a peace that didn't exist.

    I don't know if I should thank you for proving yourself wrong or not.
    Peace is a relative term, is this your first day? Compare "peace" in a red state with any democrat city for an example of this.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok. And you dont remember us boosting aid to Iraq in 2013?

    When did we boost any aid to Iraq in 2013? As in Nov of 2013 BO denied any aid to Maliki.


    Here's Why Obama's Middle East Allies Don't Trust Him Against ISIS


    "The U.S. and the West have avoided the Syrian conflict for two years, essentially permitting the conditions that spawned ISIS," said Clint Watts, counterterrorism expert at the Foreign Policy Institute.

    The rub is that Obama decided in 2013 that the U.S. wouldn't “get in the middle of somebody else's civil war," and the White House only allowed the CIA to "provide enough support to help ensure that politically moderate, U.S.-supported militias don’t lose but not enough for them to win."

    ISIS and the regime are squeezing the nationalist opposition in Syria's largest city, Aleppo, the only city where the FSA has a significant presence. To defeat ISIS, the U.S. commander in chief will have to eventually confront the Assad regime — a move that would strain tensions with an increasingly assertive Iran. "It's not my job to rate the Obama administration's actions in Iraq," Baghdad Bureau Chief of The New York Times Tim Arango said on Reddit on Monday. "But I will tell you that after 2011 the administration basically ignored the country. And when officials spoke about what was happening there they were often ignorant of the reality." Ali Khedery, the longest continuously serving American official in Iraq (2003-09), told Reza Akhlaghi of the Foreign Policy Association that the Obama administration "betrayed the promises that the U.S. government had made to the Sunni tribal leaders," who had previously fought with American troops against ISIS-predecessor Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) during the Iraq War.....snip~

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The idea is to look busy (yet not overly aggressive) and ride out the last two years with mumbo jumbo about coalition forces making progress in a difficult area and supporting our brave men and women in uniform. Yes he can!
    Exactly, ride it out, and make it the next guys problem. Even leftists seem vaguely cognizant about it.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its not a "shuck and jive". That is literally how we pulled out of Iraq. I get it, you have to dumb down a message to simplicity, "ITS OBAMAS FAULT!"
    I do when ITS SIMPLY OBAMA'S FAULT.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    When did we boost any aid to Iraq in 2013? As in Nov of 2013 BO denied any aid to Maliki.
    U.S. to boost military aid to Iraq - Los Angeles Times
    "WASHINGTON — Facing a deadly resurgence of Al Qaeda in Iraq, President Obama signaled Friday that he would begin increasing U.S. military support for Baghdad after five years of reducing it.

    The new U.S. plan represents a remarkable shift for Obama, whose administration trumpeted the 2011 withdrawal of the last U.S. troops from Iraq as a major achievement and has since shifted its attention to other regional challenges, such as Syria, Egypt and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    Following a White House meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki, Obama said he shared Maliki's fears about militants' growing foothold in Iraq's western region and would join the Iraqi leader's effort to crack down. Administration officials said this would include growing intelligence support and new weaponry."

    U.S. sending weapons to Iraq to help curb al-Qaida advances | Nation & World | The Seattle Times
    "WASHINGTON — The United States is quietly rushing dozens of Hellfire missiles and low-tech surveillance drones to Iraq to help government forces combat an explosion of violence by al-Qaida-backed insurgency that is gaining territory in both western Iraq and neighboring Syria.

    The move follows an appeal for help in battling the extremist group by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who met with President Obama in Washington last month."


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I do when ITS SIMPLY OBAMA'S FAULT.
    We know. Because in your mind gotta make the message reeeeaaaalllll simple: "Obama bad. Everything bad is only Obama fault".


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yeah, that is worth the lives of almost 5000 of our troops and thousands severely wounded?
    On the contrary, I believe those lives are worth infinitely more than the politics of terrorists and Obama.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I do when ITS SIMPLY OBAMA'S FAULT.
    Sorry, you can't prove that, ISIS could have grown even if there were still troops there. You FAIL.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Peace is a relative term
    No, it really isn't. 2008 had the same level of violence as 2003, the year the war began. Would you say 2003 was a peaceful year in Iraq? Obviously not. Would you say Chicago was less peaceful in 1992 when 800 people were murdered but is now more peaceful because in 2013, 500 people were killed? Of course not. That's absolutely ridiculous. Yet, that's what you're stating here. That Iraq in 2008 - had the same violence as the period when the war started - but somehow it was peaceful. That's sophistry.
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