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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Nope. I blamed the rise of ISIS on our foreign policy. Blame lies on many peoples shoulders, not just one. I however rest the "blame" for the pull out to how it happened.
    Obama has been at the wheel for 6 years. One only need to look to tuesday to see what Americans think of his policies. If you'd like to continue the shuck and jive, please do-but nobody is buying it.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    When it suits us. But these weren't the same type of enemy (ideological yes, but not as fanatical and not willing to continue the fight covertly) and even after WW2 we had the cold war to fight.

    Frankly a limited military presence around the world, which keeps our interests protected (as well as the worlds, we "mow the grass") is a good thing. Look at the size of our military, we aren't geared up like we were.
    “In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today"- Ronald Reagan "cut and run" policy on middle east

    a limited military around the world, at the cost of 90% of the tax payers dollar? 400 bases in 130 countries is a limited presence? are you serious? Aren't you tired of war, the trillions and trillions of tax payer dollars being spent isnt tiring for you?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    See if you can find it.
    Find... what? Where you made a claim that was erroneous? Bringing down violence to 2003 levels does not equate to your claim that "Obama lost the peace in Iraq". There wasn't peace. Hell, your own graph demonstrates that even after the troop surge, there was violence similar to those seen in 2003. The best part is that you've shown a graph which proves your original claim wrong. Obama couldn't have lost a peace that didn't exist.

    I don't know if I should thank you for proving yourself wrong or not.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama has been at the wheel for 6 years. One only need to look to tuesday to see what Americans think of his policies. If you'd like to continue the shuck and jive, please do-but nobody is buying it.
    Its not a "shuck and jive". That is literally how we pulled out of Iraq. I get it, you have to dumb down a message to simplicity, "ITS OBAMAS FAULT!"


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    In an unprecedented move the Democrats attempt to minimize political damage on themselves.
    The Obama mission (using the term loosely) is to have a global war on terror without actually fighting a war against any nation. Essentially, just try to pretend that the US military is a global police force and that terrorism is really just crime with its "root cause" outside of our borders.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The key difference to US military bases in those other nations is the mission - we do not patrol their cities/countryside or zap folks using drones, snipers or special OPs teams - even if the "host nation" should request it since we are not at war there. The failure/victory in Iraq has nothing to do with US bases and everything to do with the US mission. We do not have the resolve to eliminate the threat of terror gangs, groups or acts using serious (and effective) military force; only to mark time until someone else (the Iraqi "security forces"?) finds a way to do so - which is likely to be never.
    Well stated. Even Obama's hesitant and weak response to ISIS demonstrates this. His own military staff has stated that airstrikes wont solve this.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Now its all just a conspiracy. Its all secret. You got! You figured it out!
    I reject your use of the word conspiracy. You are trying to paint me as a nut for seeing what is transparently obvious here. Obama is the master of transparently obvious.

    Dance away.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or it was just an impossibility. The Iraqi government telling us to kick rocks, and the Iraqi government not granting legal immunity to troops stationed there...
    No, I think it was never given the priority it needed. I refer to, of course, Penetta's book and writing on the matter.
    We had leverage. We could, for instance, have threatened to withdraw reconstruction aid to Iraq if al-Maliki would not support some sort of continued U.S. military presence. My fear, as I voiced to the President and others, was that if the country split apart or slid back into the violence that we’d seen in the years immediately following the U.S. invasion, it could become a new haven for terrorists to plot attacks against the U.S. Iraq’s stability was not only in Iraq’s interest but also in ours. I privately and publicly advocated for a residual force that could provide training and security for Iraq’s military.

    Under Secretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy did her best to press that position, which reflected not just my views but also those of the military commanders in the region and the Joint Chiefs. But the President’s team at the White House pushed back, and the differences occasionally became heated. Flournoy argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests.

    We debated with al-Maliki even as we debated among ourselves, with time running out. The clock wound down in December, and Deputy Secretary of Defense Ash Carter continued to argue our case, extending the deadline for the Iraqis to act, hoping that we might pull out a last-minute agreement and recognizing that once our forces left, it would be essentially impossible for them to turn around and return. To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them. Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away. The deal never materialized.
    Leon Panetta: How the White House Misplayed Iraqi Troop Talks

    "the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them. "
    "without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away"

    Sorry, but this one is all Obama's and his minions. as reported from the first person, the person directly involved in the matter.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I reject your use of the word conspiracy. You are trying to paint me as a nut for seeing what is transparently obvious here. Obama is the master of transparently obvious.

    Dance away.
    Dont worry we all trust you, because you know exactly what happened. Even tho a historical outline of what happened was presented to you, and Maliki in his own words was presented to you, but we trust you, it was all "propaganda".


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    “In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today"- Ronald Reagan "cut and run" policy on middle east

    a limited military around the world, at the cost of 90% of the tax payers dollar? 400 bases in 130 countries is a limited presence? are you serious? Aren't you tired of war, the trillions and trillions of tax payer dollars being spent isnt tiring for you?
    I am indeed tried of war, more specifically of losing war for politics. If you decide to lob missles-you DO IT TO WIN, or you DONT DO IT. You fight or you dont. Now tell me WTF out president is doing.

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