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CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

ecofarm said:
Does genocide, mass slaughters and institutionalized rape not have lasting effects and consequences?
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Well yes it does. Did I indicate somewhere it didnt?
 
US Conservative said:
I think its because you appear to be an apologist for obama.
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Actually no. I disagree with Obama's policy when it comes to Iraq/Syria/ISIS. I dont think we should be sending troops back in, I think we should of pulled out of Iraq way sooner.
 
ecofarm said:
So you blame Saddam first?
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For Bush's actions decided to invade? No. Was Saddam a evil man? Yes. What were the reasons we invaded? Because Saddam was a direct threat to the US, he was helpping Al-Qaeda, and he was rebuilding his chemical weapons.
 
US Conservative said:
And yet you choose to namedrop bush. Why do you think that is?
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"Namedropping"? Because you only hold one side "responsible" while conveniently ignoring the other side.
You claim I was an "Obama apologist" while clearly I am not.
 
US Conservative said:
And yet you choose to namedrop bush. Why do you think that is?
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Because anyone who denies that the ill thought-out and ill-advised invasion wasn't the main reason for the power vacuum in Iraq is delusional.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Except they were not.
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Saddam killed more per year than Bush, by anyone's estimation. 5 years of Bush is a big deal, but 20 years of Saddam obliterating social capital and removing all hope of justice is meh?
 
Kobie said:
Because anyone who denies that the ill thought-out and ill-advised invasion wasn't the main reason for the power vacuum in Iraq is delusional.
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The power vacuum was created by 20 years of the worst dictatorship on Earth. That power vacuum is social capital.

Maintaining a genocidal dictatorship and institutionalized rape for another few years would have helped? No, it would have further obliterated what little social capital remained.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"Namedropping"? Because you only hold one side "responsible" while conveniently ignoring the other side.
You claim I was an "Obama apologist" while clearly I am not.
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I ignored nobody. ISIS wasn't a state until Obama. Bush isnt the current POTUS. Should we blame Clinton?
 
ecofarm said:
Saddam killed more per year than Bush, by anyone's estimation. 5 years of Bush is a big deal, but 20 years of Saddam obliterating social capital and removing all hope of justice is meh?
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Ok. That does not change my rational and acceptance/agreeing with the invasion of Iraq.
 
US Conservative said:
ISIS has flourished under Obama, not Bush. Facts, Kobie-are stubborn things.
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Terrorism in Iraq wasnt around when Bush was in office? Actually terrorism did not exist in Iraq before Bush decided to invade.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Terrorism in Iraq wasnt around when Bush was in office? Actually terrorism did not exist in Iraq before Bush decided to invade.
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This is that dancing I was talking about. Its an intellectually lazy strawman. I didn't say there were no terrorists under bush (<---strawman), I said ISIS flourished under Obama.

Can you at least agree that ISIS has flourished under Obama?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ok. That does not change my rational and acceptance/agreeing with the invasion of Iraq.
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You don't need to agree with the invasion of Iraq to understand that 2 decades of genocide and institutionalized rape obliterates a nation's social capital and leaves a social power vacuum far more important than containing the inevitable meltdown with brutal oppression.
 
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