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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or it was just an impossibility. The Iraqi government telling us to kick rocks, and the Iraqi government not granting legal immunity to troops stationed there...
    Obama wanted an excuse to get out of Iraq, blaming it on SOFA did just fine.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There are numerous factors here, but the short answer is we should have stayed as long as it takes, a small force for 20 years+, in light of the realities there. We still have a presence in Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea.

    Frankly many of the issues are generational and not likely to subside overnight. You stay until the job is done, not until a date you announce to your enemies.

    These terrorists think we dont have the resolve and that if they out wait us, or bloody our nose that we will leave-and have said as much. Note that this isn't different from what the left wants to do.
    The key difference to US military bases in those other nations is the mission - we do not patrol their cities/countryside or zap folks using drones, snipers or special OPs teams - even if the "host nation" should request it since we are not at war there. The failure/victory in Iraq has nothing to do with US bases and everything to do with the US mission. We do not have the resolve to eliminate the threat of terror gangs, groups or acts using serious (and effective) military force; only to mark time until someone else (the Iraqi "security forces"?) finds a way to do so - which is likely to be never.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama wanted an excuse to get out of Iraq, blaming it on SOFA did just fine.
    Now its all just a conspiracy. Its all secret. You got! You figured it out!


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, you keep making it up as you go. It's not helping you. No no, you said there was peace in Iraq and Obama lost it. That is demonstrably false. Almost 1,000 police officers were killed in the country as well as 8,000 civilians. Hell, even by conservative estimates 2008 was as violent as 2003 (the year the war began). So again - WHERE WAS THIS PEACE?

    https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analys...rs/surge-2008/



    IBC is a conservative estimate of the death toll. Hell, even the media has compared 2014 to 2008 in terms of violence:

    Iraq suffers its deadliest year since 2008 | World news | The Guardian



    You made a claim, now you're struggling to back it up. Stop it. There hasn't been any tangible sense of peace in Iraq in 12 years. Please stop making up claims that can be proven false with a little research?
    See if you can find it. And lets not forget Obama also opposed the surge in Iraq. BTW, its very hard to obtain numbers of dead from ISIS but guess how they are now...

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ISIS exists in Iraq today because president chump left Iraq to the wolves. We left, they filled the vacuum, and as a result many more have been and will be killed. Obama lost the peace in Iraq.
    They wanted us to leave. You cannot claim Iraq was stable before Obama left if the mere act of us leaving made everything fall apart. That's like holding onto a failed Jenga tower with your hands and claiming you haven't lost the game yet.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I suggest the point is that it should NOT have been so difficult to fathom.

    It was though, by an administration that wanted to believe it's own press, that Arab Spring was a good thing, and that Islam now loved America because a Nobel Prize winner had said "we're sorry" with practiced sincerity. Iraq was nowhere stable, but Obama pinned his re-election on the still promise of Obamacare, which he knew as defective, and his appeasement of Islam was working.

    Clearly it wasn't and now more people have to die.


    The ****ed up thing, is the islamic fascists spelled it out for us. Scary how accurate this is so many years later:

    The Future of Terrorism: What al-Qaida Really Wants - SPIEGEL ONLINE
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok... So?



    What?

    Okay so.....Bo knew from his own Ambassador what was taking place in Iraq over ISIL and with Maliki in Feb of 2013. Then in the summer. You didn't miss what he came out saying on how BO handled the issue, did you? That was BO's Ambassador to Iraq on PBS with a documentary.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Interesting that you know history that never happened, but I will play.
    If Saddam hadn't invaded Kuwait, and then repeatedly violated the terms of the ceasefire, his second cervical vertebrae wouldn't have been fractured.
    Yeah, that is worth the lives of almost 5000 of our troops and thousands severely wounded?


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    probably when it was likely that an islamic caliphate marauding through syria and iraq would be difficult to fathom. instead we supported the arab spring.... and got the troops out, giving the islamic fascists exactly what they wanted, and had planned for since 9/11
    You didn't really address the question. You just recited hindsight.


    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There are numerous factors here, but the short answer is we should have stayed as long as it takes, a small force for 20 years+, in light of the realities there. We still have a presence in Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea.

    Frankly many of the issues are generational and not likely to subside overnight. You stay until the job is done, not until a date you announce to your enemies.

    These terrorists think we dont have the resolve and that if they out wait us, or bloody our nose that we will leave-and have said as much. Note that this isn't different from what the left wants to do.
    Good answer. Don't agree with all of it, but it's a good answer. A couple points...

    1) Yes, we still have a presence in those countries, but none of them have openly hostile populations that seek to fight us literally on a daily basis. In essence, the wars in those countries are over. Not really an apples-to-apples comparison.

    2) We don't have the resolve. To fight any war, IMO. Maybe if we got into a nation vs nation war like WW2 with a clear and defined enemy we might pull up the resolve, but barring that...
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Okay so.....Bo knew from his own Ambassador what was taking place in Iraq over ISIL and with Maliki in Feb of 2013. Then in the summer. You didn't miss what he came out saying on how BO handled the issue, did you? That was BO's Ambassador to Iraq on PBS with a documentary.
    Ok. And you dont remember us boosting aid to Iraq in 2013?


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