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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    In a sentence: by opening up a means in which voices can be heard in an actual political setting in the Arab Middle East, in a secure environment that is friendly to American policies. It could then slowly spread. As opposed to just...doing nothing and hoping for the best.
    It's difficult to see how invading a secular state in the name of fighting Islamic Jihad could possibly have accomplished such a goal.

    Not that it's not a laudable goal, but some things are simply not accomplished by military force alone.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's difficult to see how invading a secular state in the name of fighting Islamic Jihad could possibly have accomplished such a goal.

    Not that it's not a laudable goal, but some things are simply not accomplished by military force alone.
    Well...I already expressed how disenfranchisement via totalitarian regimes clamping down on opposition, since the 1920s has resulted in funneling said opposition into the mosque, honing it and amplifying it. So what part of that do you disagree with? That political climate is what has created fundamentalist Islamic violence, so that's the source that has to be dealt with.

    That's what Iraq was about. And the American people are partially to blame for it failing, because they either didn't have the stomach for it or the brains for it. Or both.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well...I already expressed how disenfranchisement via totalitarian regimes clamping down on opposition, since the 1920s has resulted in funneling said opposition into the mosque, honing it and amplifying it. So what part of that do you disagree with? That political climate is what has created fundamentalist Islamic violence, so that's the source that has to be dealt with.

    That's what Iraq was about. And the American people are partially to blame for it failing, because they either didn't have the stomach for it or the brains for it. Or both.
    So, deposing totalitarian regimes and setting up democratic republics in order not to funnel opposition into the mosque is the goal, and the way to accomplish that goal is through military force.

    How's that working out.... Oh, right. It would work out just dandy if the American people had the stomach and brains for it.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, deposing totalitarian regimes and setting up democratic republics in order not to funnel opposition into the mosque is the goal, and the way to accomplish that goal is through military force.
    There's lots of ways to do it. Military force is part of it.

    How's that working out.... Oh, right. It would work out just dandy if the American people had the stomach and brains for it.
    It would work out better, yes.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, deposing totalitarian regimes and setting up democratic republics in order not to funnel opposition into the mosque is the goal, and the way to accomplish that goal is through military force.

    How's that working out.... Oh, right. It would work out just dandy if the American people had the stomach and brains for it.
    Yu seem to be inventing your own arguments and commenting on them. Why not just stick to the points being made and respond to them?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's difficult to see how invading a secular state in the name of fighting Islamic Jihad could possibly have accomplished such a goal.

    Not that it's not a laudable goal, but some things are simply not accomplished by military force alone.
    What makes you think it would be military force alone? No one ever said that.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yu seem to be inventing your own arguments and commenting on them. Why not just stick to the points being made and respond to them?
    No, just responding to Oldworldorder's post.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What makes you think it would be military force alone? No one ever said that.
    Military force plus what then?
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Military force plus what then?
    Honestly, what do you think? Let's say you're in charge of American foreign relations- what other tools do you think you might have at your disposal aside from military force?

    I feel like you're hearing some of these things for the first time. Like...how can you talk about international relations if you had never heard of neorealism? I'm just kinda confused that you sauntered into this discussion so confidently but apparently all these things are new to you. Or you were just asking questions that you already knew the answers to: equally boggling.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Honestly, what do you think? Let's say you're in charge of American foreign relations- what other tools do you think you might have at your disposal aside from military force?

    I feel like you're hearing some of these things for the first time. Like...how can you talk about international relations if you had never heard of neorealism? I'm just kinda confused that you sauntered into this discussion so confidently but apparently all these things are new to you. Or you were just asking questions that you already knew the answers to: equally boggling.
    Grant is the one who said that military force alone wasn't enough. I was just asking him for some clarification of his position.
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