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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's always a good idea to check your facts before other people check the facts for you and leave you looking like you make your own facts up as you go along. Iraq did kick the weapons inspectors out in 1998. Here you go. Iraq Weapons Inspections Fast Facts - CNN.com
    Good point. It is a good idea to check facts before posting. From your link:

    September 16, 2002 - Iraq agrees unconditionally to the return of inspectors.
    which answers the question I asked earlier: If the inspectors were kicked out of Iraq in 1998, why did Bush have to warn them about the invasion in 2003? Now we know the rest of the story.
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    CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Good point. It is a good idea to check facts before posting. From your link:



    which answers the question I asked earlier: If the inspectors were kicked out of Iraq in 1998, why did Bush have to warn them about the invasion in 2003? Now we know the rest of the story.
    There wasn't anything wrong with my facts. The inspectors were kicked out in 1998 and their subsequent return doesn't vindicate a fictitious claim that Saddam's didn't expel them.

    And the fact that Bush warned them to evacuate in 2003 is only a splinteof the rest of the story. Saddam's non cooperation took many forms. You should read up on the history.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    There wasn't anything wrong with my facts. The inspectors were kicked out in 1998 and their subsequent return doesn't vindicate a fictitious claim that Saddam's didn't expel them.

    And the fact that Bush warned them to evacuate in 2003 is only a splinteof the rest of the story. Saddam's non cooperation took many forms. You should read up on the history.
    So, we invaded in order to get rid of an un cooperative dictator who nevertheless was no threat to the USA, and the result was exactly what should have been expected: Chaos.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, we invaded in order to get rid of an un cooperative dictator who nevertheless was no threat to the USA, and the result was exactly what should have been expected: Chaos.
    That's one understandable take on it and since there aren't any false facts in that to quibble about, I see no reason to quibble.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That's one understandable take on it and since there aren't any false facts in that to quibble about, I see no reason to quibble.
    Neither do I.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    That's if you look at issue being only Iraq instead of the Middle East.

    Not sure why anyone would do that, though.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That's if you look at issue being only Iraq instead of the Middle East.

    Not sure why anyone would do that, though.
    In the issue of the Middle East, is it the role of the USA to go in and fix the problems that exist there?
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    In the issue of the Middle East, is it the role of the USA to go in and fix the problems that exist there?
    It is if the decision is made that it benefits US interests to such a degree that it's worthwhile. Doing some for humanitarian reasons? Of course not, that's stupid. But for geopolitical reasons? If the cost-benefit analysis works out, yes.

    I'm just saying, looking at issues like in the Middle East through the prism of individual countries isn't going to be fruitful. That's the textbook definition of missing the forest for the trees- missing the holistic regional picture for the atomized, individual nation-states.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeburte View Post
    Very very bad example. First off we were attacked by Japan and Germany, we were never attacked by Iraq. Secondly, the implementation of democratic governments in those regions (west Germany and Japan) went very smoothly. In Iraq it started a civil war and actually created NEW and stronger terrorist organizations. Thirdly, we libertarians don't believe the U.S. Should still be in japan and Germany! It's a complete waste of my tax dollars and U.S. Resources! Socialist big spending republicans however want MORE troops over there. If it really makes you feel better having troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany and Japan, that's fine, but you have to pay for it. Don't be a socialist and force me to use my tax dollars for an international welfare cause I don't believe in.
    your first point is totally meaningless to the argument. because we weren't attacked we should pull out our troops and allow chaos to reign in Iraq. that makes no sense(not that it stopped Obama from doing it anyway).

    on to your second point, you have proof that only a few years after WWII both Germany and Japan were humming like well oiled machines and didn't really need our help? then why the hell are we still there lee?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    It is if the decision is made that it benefits US interests to such a degree that it's worthwhile. Doing some for humanitarian reasons? Of course not, that's stupid. But for geopolitical reasons? If the cost-benefit analysis works out, yes.

    I'm just saying, looking at issues like in the Middle East through the prism of individual countries isn't going to be fruitful. That's the textbook definition of missing the forest for the trees- missing the holistic regional picture for the atomized, individual nation-states.
    And getting back specifically to the invasion of Iraq, was that worthwhile from the perspective of benefiting US interests? Given the enormous cost in terms of both blood and treasure, I say no. The results of the invasion have not been positive, have not furthered US interests in the region, have been costly to the extreme.
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